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Grand Line, Part 4
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Newbiespud 5th Apr 2012, 6:00 AM edit delete
Newbiespud
Guest author: DragonTrainer

DragonTrainer and I agreed that Luke and Cory, at least, needed some transitioning from D&D 3.5 to 4e. To that end, the DM allowed them to take flaws under house rules and apply some third-party content.

The DM has most likely regretted that decision.

83 Comments:

dzamie 5th Apr 2012, 6:02 AM edit delete reply
dzamie
Try one: OP'd Snips
Try two: MDW?
He seems to be the Element of Minmaxing.
kriss1989 5th Apr 2012, 3:49 PM edit delete reply
kriss1989
DM: ".....you know what, your first character is fine."

Snips: "Awesome, I will rock combat forever!"

Fluttershy: "He does know this is a combat light campaign right?"

S&S: "Huh?"

DM: "How many penalties did you guys take to social interactions again?"
Ranubis 5th Apr 2012, 6:04 AM edit delete reply
Ranubis
Ok, I'm still trying to figure out what cannon Snail's talent is. Just what does it mean if you have a freaking snail for a mark?
Masterweaver 5th Apr 2012, 6:16 AM edit delete reply
Entomology.
Crimson Doom 5th Apr 2012, 6:24 AM edit delete reply
Maybe it's because he's *intellectually* slow?
...nah, that's stretching it.
He probably can communicate with snails better than other ponies, has a greater understanding of their viewpoint.
Fairly useless, though, short of a Contrived Coincidence.
MAsterweaver 5th Apr 2012, 6:25 AM edit delete reply
I repeat: Entomology. The study of bugs.
Guest 5th Apr 2012, 6:37 AM edit delete reply
Snails are gastropods though, not at all related to insects
gindranis 5th Apr 2012, 6:39 AM edit delete reply
What about the study of gluelike substances, like a snail's slime, or chewing gum. He seems to be an expert on chewing gum.
Cony 5th Apr 2012, 6:41 AM edit delete reply
Personally, I prefer thinking it's patience
Veya 5th Apr 2012, 8:48 AM edit delete reply
Veya
I like to think that in Snail's case, his cutie mark isn't a special tallent, but a very strong personality trait, in the end, it just means he is that slow...

Sure, it sucks for lil' Snails, but that's his problem, not mine.
Bronymous 5th Apr 2012, 9:14 AM edit delete reply
Bronymous
This is how the whole idea of Cutie Marks goes weird. They claim that a Cutie Mark is received once a pony figures out their special talent, but since G1 they were related to the Ponies' names. Fluttershy, Rainbow Dash, Snips and Snails- what are the odds their parents just so happened to name them after what their Cutie Marks would eventually be? Cutie Marks do not have to equal talent, that's just an excuse. Twilight's doesn't represent her skill with magic, it represents Magic, the Sixth Element of Harmony. And then there's Derpy.
Guest 5th Apr 2012, 10:14 AM edit delete reply
@Bronymus For the name part I like to just assume Equestria has fairly loose rules for name changes up to a certain age, so Rainbow Dash may have been named Rainbow Dancer or something equally girly til the third or so time she flew through the house and broke something and her parents decided dashing was more her style than dancing.
terrycloth 5th Apr 2012, 11:03 AM edit delete reply
It's 'what makes them special' which a lot of ponies misinterpret as it representing some special talent. And then engage in torturous explanations for how that relates, eg Cheerilee's 'flowers represent the smiling faces of my students as they bloom!'

So for Snails (and, say, Derpy)... it might be what makes him 'special'.
Erin Palette 5th Apr 2012, 11:06 AM edit delete reply
Erin Palette
Ooh! Ooh! I've answered both those questions in my Unknown Ponies series!

Cutie marks and names: http://lurkingrhythmically.blogspot.com/2012/01/unknown-ponies-questions-addenda-and.html

Derpy's character sheet (with cutie mark explained): http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3207923/Derpy%20Hooves.pdf
Tharag 5th Apr 2012, 2:24 PM edit delete reply
@Bronymous: A person's, or pony's, personality and talents don't develop in a vacuum. The names parents choose can somewhat inform us of their own priorities and thus the types of interests they are likely to instill and nurture in their children and thus what talents those children are most likely to have a predisposition too.

Also, as has been the case with the CMCs we see that older ponies often have at least a vague idea in what direction a foals talents might lie. Yes those three are already on the verge of discovering those talents for themselves, but there is little reason to expect such adult insights are unique to that age range. In the case of at least one of the Cake twins, Pound, we can even see a pony whose behavior and name already seem an all to perfect fit. In that same respect it is entirely conceivable that Rainbow Dash has been a speedster from an equally young age.

Lastly, since a cutie mark is supposed to represent a pony's individuality and uniqueness, it wouldn't be much of a stretch to assume that the shape it takes has as much to do with a pony's own perception of themself as it does the specifics of their talents. Name can be an important aspect of self identity, so it shouldn't be surprising when a pony's name is reflected in their cutie mark.
Darthmalice 5th Apr 2012, 4:29 PM edit delete reply
I don't know where I read it, but I vaguely remember reading that the good lady Faust said when a ponie is born it's mark is very briefly visible. If I'm right, it would answer your question.
Darthmalice 5th Apr 2012, 4:31 PM edit delete reply
*should read pony*
reynard61 5th Apr 2012, 9:02 PM edit delete reply
reynard61
"And then there's Derpy."

Just a wild guess; but my feeling is that if the fandom hadn't named her, the animators would probably have eventually named her "Bubbles".
Bronymous 6th Apr 2012, 7:43 AM edit delete reply
Bronymous
If the fandom hadn't named Derpy, then she would have never been pointed out in the first place and would not warrant a name. Or they would have gone with Ditzy Doo.
Chakat Firepaw 7th Apr 2012, 1:14 PM edit delete reply
The assumption I have made is that cutie marks are influenced by the pony's name as much as her talents and/or nature. Thus, a pony with a horticultural talent named Roseluck would most likely have a rose-themed cutie mark while if she had been named Lilybelle would have lilies.

Note also how names and marks do not always match exactly: Big McIntosh's mark is a green apple not a red one, while Applejack has apples rather than a bottle or jug, (this has been true since G1).
Trance 5th Apr 2012, 9:50 AM edit delete reply
Snips and Snails are a reference to a nursery rhyme and probably to a lesser degree the power-puff girls rowdy ruff boys.
What are little boys made out of? Snips and Snails and puppy-dog tails! That, is what little boys are made out of.

His talent... beyond the reference I'm not sure.
Karilyn 5th Apr 2012, 10:03 AM edit delete reply
Karilyn
Have you ever heard of Squirrel Girl?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squirrel_Girl#Victories

Yeah. Snails is probably something like that. Don't underestimate his power to communicate with snails. I bet Snails is one of the most powerful ponies in Equestria. (Or maybe he's just useless. Six or one half dozen.)
Jason Shadow 5th Apr 2012, 11:17 AM edit delete reply
Ah, well... At first glance, it seems that Snails's talent might be being... well, "slow". But is that really the case, or is his talent actually only APPEARING to be slow?

Remember: wear a disguise in every new town you enter, keep your wizard's hat lined with tinfoil, and above all, trust nopony!
Limitless Zero 5th Apr 2012, 1:21 PM edit delete reply
Limitless Zero
Don't forget the snail's shell. It could be that his special talent is protective magic. Load of good it'll do him in a utopia like Equestria, but who knows.
Rentok 5th Apr 2012, 2:03 PM edit delete reply
Rentok
His cutie mark is a snail. Maybe he's a great gourmet chef specializing in Escargot?
kriss1989 5th Apr 2012, 3:44 PM edit delete reply
kriss1989
@Limitless Zero - Huh, defensive magic? That...would actually be a pretty good talent to have.
McBehrer 5th Apr 2012, 2:17 PM edit delete reply
McBehrer
I figured he was talented at gardening.
HopeFox 5th Apr 2012, 5:21 PM edit delete reply
That's always been my theory. Snails (the mollusc) are good at eating plants, and Snails (the pony) is big on eating plants (such as in the talent show), so I figure his talent relates to eating plants, or more likely growing them in the first place.
Torg 5th Apr 2012, 8:42 PM edit delete reply
Come on, guys. His special talent is obviously an unusually low sodium tolerance.
helpusobi1 5th Apr 2012, 11:30 PM edit delete reply
helpusobi1
^best answer so far.
Brony Is Magic 6th Apr 2012, 6:11 AM edit delete reply
Oh god, Squirrel Girl. I don't even need to read the article.
SHE SINGLE-HANDEDLY DEFEATED DR. DOOM, GUYS!
Ranubis 6th Apr 2012, 9:08 AM edit delete reply
Ranubis
Oh, Squirrel Girl. So OP, she once invaded Dr. Doom's fortress by herself just to use a time machine, and the Doc actually gives in and shows her the way so she won't attack him.
Cain 6th Apr 2012, 11:00 AM edit delete reply
Cain
note, this was after she beat him, not a doom bot, but actually beat him up before
darkwulf23 6th Apr 2012, 1:12 PM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
Any one who read 3.5 knows what Luke, AKA snails true talent is. Diplomacy. He can fail diplomacy like a boss.
sjosten 6th Apr 2012, 10:21 AM edit delete reply
Maybe he makes caviar.
helpusobi1 6th Apr 2012, 12:38 PM edit delete reply
helpusobi1
...

caviar is processed fish eggs.
Dfield 6th Apr 2012, 1:15 PM edit delete reply
Ask capitan pipsqueak actually gave a convincing idea, his special talent is patience.
AABaker 5th Apr 2012, 6:37 AM edit delete reply
No, clearly he is adept at french cooking.
darkwulf23 5th Apr 2012, 6:45 AM edit delete reply
darkwulf23
Flaw system. The min maxers best friend since....

since....

hey, where did that flaw system come from anyway?
Masterweaver 5th Apr 2012, 6:47 AM edit delete reply
I think it's always been there.
Mejui 5th Apr 2012, 7:19 AM edit delete reply
GURPS?
Ash 5th Apr 2012, 11:49 AM edit delete reply
I'd say the idea of Edges and Flaws probably started in ether GURPS, World of Darkness, or possibly Deadlands. It's been around longer than 3.5 though.
Chakat Firepaw 7th Apr 2012, 1:20 PM edit delete reply
The Hero system, in its original form as Champions, predates GURPS by about three years.

In Hero, characters are as much defined by their disadvantages as their powers, (and if you can't get 50 points of PsychLims, you aren't trying).
Nezumi 5th Apr 2012, 8:03 AM edit delete reply
The Flaw system for D&D was added in one of Monte Cook's supplements for 3.5e, I believe.
Essex 5th Apr 2012, 9:24 AM edit delete reply
The flaw system was introduced in Unearthed Arcana, which wasn't a Monty Cook book.
Anvildude 9th Apr 2012, 12:45 PM edit delete reply
I once made an M&M Character loosely based on Iron-man crossed with Magneto. He had a suit of really heavy ablative power armour (high defense, little offensive strength) that could project and manipulate magnetic fields, created by being a super-genius millionaire. However, out of the suit he was so slight and sickly he could barely walk from the door to the curb without dying of asthma or breaking his leg. The power armour was also basically a life-support system, and if that went down, well, he was boned.
Vulpis 25th Jul 2012, 1:22 AM edit delete reply
Reminds me of the Great And Powerful Turtle from Wild Cards. Except that he was a telekinetic who flew shells, rather than the superpower being in the shells.
moocow1452 5th Apr 2012, 6:55 AM edit delete reply
So, Snips is now an NPC, or MDW is on deck? Confuzled.

Anyway, Snails talent I'd assume would be gardening or something along those lines.
Guest 5th Apr 2012, 11:29 AM edit delete reply
I would venture a guess that MDW will be even more OP than Snips and the DM will allow Snips rather than wait for a third character but someone will keep the MDW sheet and use it for when RD gets too cocky.
kriss1989 5th Apr 2012, 3:47 PM edit delete reply
kriss1989
Well the GM will keep it of course.
Grrys 5th Apr 2012, 7:20 AM edit delete reply
Snips and Snails are a reference to a certain episode of the Powerpuff Girls, where their nemesis, Mojo Jojo is put in prison. He uses his one phone call to call Professor Utonium, the creator of the PPG and Mojo's original owner, to ask him how he made the PPG. The professor, despite being the smartest man on Earth, isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, so he tells Mojo the secret: Sugar, Spice, and Everything Nice, with a little bit of Chemical X added in. Mojo takes that information, and thinks it over for a while. Eventually, he comes to the conclusion that Snips, Snails, and Puppy Dog Tails are the opposites of the ingredients used for making the girls, and they would thus make boys. He then intentionally adds them to Chemical X, which happens to be the prison's toilet water, and makes the Rowdyruff Boys.

That's your history lesson on Lauren Faust for today, bronies, and stay tuned for more tomorrow!
PPP 5th Apr 2012, 7:42 AM edit delete reply
Well, it's true that they did use that in Powerpuff girls, but these two characters aren't exactly a reference to that, per se. The saying that "Girls are made of sugar, spice and everything nice, and boys are made of snips and snails and puppy dogs tails" has been around for a very long time (according to wikipedia, the first published version found is from 1820). In most English speaking cultures, "sugar and spice" has become synonymous with sweet little girls, while "snips and snails" has become synonymous with icky gross boys. In MLP, Snips and Snails are primarily alluding to that nursery rhyme to highlight that they're very boy-ish -- exactly like they were doing in the Powerpuff girls with the Rowdyruff Boys. It's really sort of a coincidence more than anything, because both shows happen to be referencing the same saying.
Brainstorm 5th Apr 2012, 8:02 AM edit delete reply
Brainstorm
Re:Coincidence

Hint: Lauren Faust worked on both shows.
TheDoomBug 5th Apr 2012, 8:23 AM edit delete reply
Doesn't mean that she was necessarily involved with any of those five characters' creations. It could have been someone else's idea in both cases.
Nobody 5th Apr 2012, 8:04 AM edit delete reply
Indeed, Calvin and Hobbes added the line that Tigers are made of "Dragonflies and Katydids, but mostly chewed up little kids".
Bronymous 5th Apr 2012, 9:19 AM edit delete reply
Bronymous
You guys notice how Snips and Snails are the only ponies in existence without irises? Does that mean something, are the artists trying to get a point across about the two? Does it just better fit their characters?

Discussion Time
The Guest 5th Apr 2012, 9:48 AM edit delete reply
Clearly it is because irises are also a type of flower and are therefore incompatible with boys.
Panoptes 5th Apr 2012, 10:01 AM edit delete reply
Panoptes
Aniridia ftw.

It's a real thing! Look it up!
Bronymous 5th Apr 2012, 10:06 AM edit delete reply
Bronymous
Big Mac Fancy Pants Hoity Toity Jetset Thunderlane Soarin Rari-dad Pipsqueak Featherweight the Royal Guards and every other Colt and Stallion appear to disprove your point.
helpusobi1 5th Apr 2012, 10:22 AM edit delete reply
helpusobi1
I think it just better fits their characters. If they had irisies, they would look less... awkward.
The Guests 6th Apr 2012, 12:59 PM edit delete reply
All those male characters having irises do not disprove my point; clearly only Snips and Snails are 'boys' because of the reference to the nursery rhyme.
Guest 5th Apr 2012, 10:50 AM edit delete reply
It's probably a case of this: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BeadyEyedLoser
Zarhon 5th Apr 2012, 3:59 PM edit delete reply
Baby ponies are weird as well: They seem to have their colored irises covering their entire eyes and white pupils, or just pupils. (Compare foal Applebloom/Cake twins with the baby from Mare-Do-Well)
Guest 6th Apr 2012, 12:31 AM edit delete reply
Maybe it's an intelligence thing?
Guest 6th Apr 2012, 12:33 AM edit delete reply
Make a note of the baby ponies. They only have the pupils to their eyes. Snips and Snails are made out to be very young ponies, so their eyes might be in the transitional stage between just pupils to full eyes.
Stairc 5th Apr 2012, 9:23 AM edit delete reply
That should be a blog title Umiyuri.

"What Lauren Actually Did"
Qin the Kirin 5th Apr 2012, 10:57 AM edit delete reply
maybe is the form the creators to say that Snips and Snail. have a very narrow point of view of the World XD.
Digo 5th Apr 2012, 11:52 AM edit delete reply
^ Win. :D

Little detail changes from the template do make the characters stand out. Like how Rarity's mane has that gradient effect going on along two colors. It stands out, just the way Rarity would have it.
Azureink 5th Apr 2012, 12:41 PM edit delete reply
Azureink
Clearly unicorns need to slash at things with their horns more often. I only remember that one blue colt with the bobby-pin cutie mark that popped balloons. I want to see a swordicorn!
Zarhon 5th Apr 2012, 3:55 PM edit delete reply
Perhaps Snip's special talent is finding and collecting snails easily in gardens . Snails are generally harmful to one's garden, so a pony who's talent is finding and removing them easily can be invaluable (heck, he might even get paid for it, since most ponies probably would be disgusted by em, are unable to get rid of them without magic, or are unable to get rid of em without killing them).

He can then even sell the snails to griffon gourmet chefs for a profit!
Guest 6th Apr 2012, 12:35 AM edit delete reply
Snips is the short stubby one with a pair of scissors on his butt. You're thinking of snails. :P
MrSing 6th Apr 2012, 1:06 AM edit delete reply
Snip's DID find snails, he's standing right next to him.
Zarhon 6th Apr 2012, 5:44 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, meant Snails. /Derpy Hooves
Bronymous 6th Apr 2012, 7:51 AM edit delete reply
Bronymous
Are we sure this is only going to be 9 pages long? Because if so we're already 1/3 of the way done and they haven't finished introducing the characters yet. either the arc is going to get longer, or they're setting up for a massive collective failure, campaign-wise.
Colin 6th Apr 2012, 8:00 PM edit delete reply
Epic fail, then. :-)
Wick 6th Apr 2012, 7:54 AM edit delete reply
If snips's talent is cutting when his cutie mark is scissors, why could snails' be a similar trail of a snail? A high defense, taking his time and doing things diligently. Not retreating in the face of danger, but digging in and taking a stand?
helpusobi1 6th Apr 2012, 9:57 AM edit delete reply
helpusobi1
What the pixel width/height for these comics?
DragonTrainer 6th Apr 2012, 10:18 AM edit delete reply
DragonTrainer
600 by 800, so exactly the same as Darths & Droids.
helpusobi1 6th Apr 2012, 10:33 AM edit delete reply
helpusobi1
the flash animation is really crisp and clear, a lot moreso than screenshots from a live-action movie, so it threw me off a little.
I await tomorrow!
Guest 21st Apr 2012, 8:06 PM edit delete reply
Short: 8 extra skill points, baby!
Guest 17th May 2012, 4:49 PM edit delete reply
I think his talent is Creating grease and he works for a fast food restaurant.
billy 17th May 2012, 5:07 PM edit delete reply
I think his talent is creating grease and he works for a fast food restaurant.
Aeron Nancet 7th Nov 2012, 10:31 PM edit delete reply
"has a spell that can make slippery grease"

...

That's supposed to impress her? The Grease spell that creates non-flammable grease? That's a level 1 spell. Come back when you've learned Time Stop.