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Newbiespud 22nd Jun 2019, 6:00 AM edit delete
Newbiespud
Jumping to the end of this season in the comic has been an exercise in how much story establishment had been done in the season's opening. And there's something to appreciate in how the show says, "Teaching these lessons like a normal school is the fastest way to kill any value in the material," rather than just, say, going straight for some highschool AU humor.

15 Comments:

albedoequals1 22nd Jun 2019, 6:26 AM edit delete reply
albedoequals1
Yeah, the way things are in real life is often the worst possible way the ponies could do things. Nothing would wreck the fun and magic faster than human-style red tape and bureaucracy.
Digo Dragon 22nd Jun 2019, 7:09 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
I pinch pennies hard every school year to ensure my daughter makes it to every field trip and outdoor activity possible because yeah, standardized testing just kills the school learning experience. Kids gotta have some fun things to do that don't involve a Scantron.
Jannard 22nd Jun 2019, 7:36 AM edit delete reply
Not to mention the way things are done in real life is often also far from the best way *we* could do things. Standardized tests are one such example.
It could be worse 22nd Jun 2019, 12:13 PM edit delete reply
It could be worse, at last they don't force to go with a unisex uniform for both males and females and regulate the hairstyle
aerion 24th Jun 2019, 12:00 PM edit delete reply
I'd rather have a unisex uniform than stick the girls in skirts, as usual.
tipulsar85 22nd Jun 2019, 2:21 PM edit delete reply
So how bad can one screw up standardized testing? It's time for IRL stupidity I had to go through in classes. In the 90's Washington state thought it might be a good idea to add a few more standardized tests for making sure the students would do better at the SATs. the first try was a program called WASL. when they annouced it it sounded like it wouldn't be that much more of a problem. then the first batch of testing was done in spring of 1997. My Math teacher told me the one student on the Special Ed track that she was dreading the next year because instead of gauging how well the individual students did on the tests, and maybe go further into what we know we could do, she had to follow the mandated guidelines from the state the following year.
Now these were the pilot years which ended right around the time I graduated, and they didn't bug me as much because I didn't need to take them until 10th grade. I worried for those that were to come after me because they had "fun" of having pass the WASL in order to graduate which lasted a whole four years and they had to take the test in four different grades. Now in the 10th grade was a very weird year for the test as I found out just how stupid it was because one of the math problems had an answers I laughed during testing at the answer because the correct answer was a scandal that was in the news only the fall before, and no one would be stupid or sarcastic enough to use that as a correct answer in a test given to an entire state. Then came the English test and Essay writing was never my forte because while I could come up with a good story, most essay assignments were "just regurgitate the facts" dry. I did not want to waste the time of the tester in trying to read my handwriting which was not very good at the time, so I elected to type up my reply because I was wor5king very hard to make it sound like I had a voice in what was going on in this test. I did very well in that test partly because I broke them.
Hariman 23rd Jun 2019, 12:51 AM edit delete reply
And it's possible to pass almost all of the tests with 90 to 100% scores... but still fail a grade because homework counts for around half of the score.

So someone who learns fast by paying attention in class but doesn't do their homework suffers due to the "one size makes all conform" schooling.
Zaranthan 23rd Jun 2019, 2:42 AM edit delete reply
That's actually a policy I agree with. When you get a job, you can know literally everything there is to know, but if you can't just sit down and do the day to day drudge work, you're worthless as an employee. Nobody will pay you to know things, they pay you to DO things.
Xaphan 23rd Jun 2019, 5:29 AM edit delete reply
Certain universities will indeed pay you to know things, the downside being that you have to teach students for thirty years or so first to prove it.
Brigid 23rd Jun 2019, 6:50 AM edit delete reply
Minnesota had these packets that went out to elementary schools every year. The teachers openly *hated* them because an entire *week* had to be devoted to these pointless things, meaning us kids couldn't make any progress in our actual classes. Which wouldn't have been so bad if the packets weren't poorly made, riddled with inaccuracies, and often required knowledge and resources far beyond what an academic father with a small *library* in his office and early dial-up internet had access to. Not to mention the annual exercise in 'look at how mean and horrible white men were to the poor, helpless Native Americans. You should fee ashamed. Ashamed!' Kinda wanted to go to school dressed as a cowboy in protest. In third grade!
Wulfraed 23rd Jun 2019, 10:22 AM edit delete reply
If they came up with "WASL" at Christmas, I'd think the creators might have been drunk... "WASL" => "Wassail"
redwings1340 23rd Jun 2019, 8:00 AM edit delete reply
redwings1340
Standardized testing is a decent idea in theory that has completely fallen apart in practice, especially in America. On one hand, its good to get a general idea of what students are learning so we can make sure that parts of the country aren't completely missing out on things like basic math or reading education, which is an absolutely vital skill in life.

However, we got stuck in the follow up to this concept. We learned that certain areas of the country were behind, so our solution is to create more standardized tests. And more. And more. I've worked in classrooms over the past several years, and there's so much testing, and so much preparation for testing, that teaching becomes impossible for large sections of the year.

There are literally so many tests right now that its impossible to teach. In a fifth grade math classroom we spent about the last month of the year solely on testing. An entire month of the school year, completely gone, because there were so many standardized tests, it disrupted the entire rhythym of the class, made it impossible to learn, made the teachers and students unmotivated, and just... screwed everything up the moment we were sort of getting something to work.

Its horrifying.
Guest 24th Jun 2019, 12:11 AM edit delete reply
Fun fact: D&D 5e wizardry would absolutely *not* work with standardized testing, even less with standardized teaching.

Each wizard has to basically create or re-create each of their spells from scratches, which results in a version the wizard and only the wizard can use.

Of course it's possible to learn from scrolls and others' spellbooks, but it's not "I learned a new power", it's "I broke the personal cypher that person was using, figured out the theory, then made a version of the spell that works for me."

You'd take three wizards, a master with two students, and neither of them would be able to use the other's book to prepare Fireball.
Cyborg7221 24th Jun 2019, 5:05 PM edit delete reply
I really love this lore.

I like to take it a step further, and say that the theoretical base knowledge necessary to do this requires at least 50 years of groundwork education before mastering even the simplest cantrips and first-level spells. Maybe 30, if you specialize. This is why Human Wizards are ALWAYS OLD- AND why becoming a Warlock has its advantages, as a shortcut to power.
crazyredemu 25th Jun 2019, 11:17 PM edit delete reply
Sounds more like a public school, I went to private school it was pretty good compared to the local hell holes.