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Motivation Delivery
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Newbiespud 7th Nov 2013, 6:00 AM edit delete
Newbiespud
Pinkie Pie is an odd character to have taking center stage in your mind when you're writing dialogue.

That's really all I have to say right now. I still remember the headache I got after writing this page.

87 Comments:

FLZ 7th Nov 2013, 6:03 AM edit delete reply
Calvin and Hobbes from Fluttershy? Sweet!

It is strange that Twilight didn't just appearify rather than transmogrify, now I think about it... Hats are some strange universal constant?
Jennifer 7th Nov 2013, 6:06 AM edit delete reply
Oh, I should've noticed the C&H reference. That's awesome!
FanOfMostEverything 7th Nov 2013, 7:12 AM edit delete reply
I don't know how the schools of magic work in 4th edition, but it's possible that Twilight's transmutation is better than her conjuration. That, or the transmogrified objects will last longer than appearified ones. Plus, they won't be subject to sendification.
ProfCharles 7th Nov 2013, 8:27 AM edit delete reply
@FanofMostEverything

In forth eddition, transmorgification effects would probably be a ritual of some sort, which any character who has learnt the Ritual Caster feat (wizards and some other arcane classes have it as a class feature) and learnt the relevent ritual can use. 4th dosen't really have schools, unless you use the essentials wizard, in which case you have accses to evocation, conjuration, illusion, necromancy, nethromancy and a couple more I forget. Normal wizards can choose spells from a 'wizard power pool', as it were, but you can only choose your powers when you level up. All classes work like this, but wizards get twice as many daily powers, although they have to leave half of them on the sidelines each day.

It's a good and balanced system, but very different from 3.5, and didn't translate many 3.5 abilties well (psioncs, non-combat utility powers etc), which leads to many 3.5 fans not enjoying it.

Of couse, an alternative would be a skill challange, were Twilight would have to make several skill checks in a row (Arcana, mainly, but if it can be justified, you can use it) or simply prestidigitation if your DM is fun enough. Knowning Pinkie, it could be either of the these, mainly because rituals cost a lot of gold to cast—gold which can be better spent on magic items (heck, that's pretty much golds only purpose in 4e).
guy 9th May 2014, 9:39 AM edit delete reply
This comment left my jaw on the floor, as I find it the single best explanation of the whole situation I have ever seen. Without any sarcasm, I say, Well done to you, sir.
Makaira 7th Nov 2013, 7:35 AM edit delete reply
Princess Bride reference from Applejack too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D58LpHBnvsI
Robin Bobcat 8th Nov 2013, 1:06 PM edit delete reply
My headcanon has that it's easier to transmogrify something that already has characteristics of whatever it is you're trying to turn it into. Changing a rock into a hat is hard, but if you are wearing it as a hat, then it becomes 'clothing', and therefore easier to change...? That or Twi is showing off.
A person that exists 13th May 2017, 11:11 AM edit delete reply
...My god I got hit with a punch to the Nostalgia gland with that one...thanks for that!
Jennifer 7th Nov 2013, 6:05 AM edit delete reply
Hm. Not sure where this is going. Is Pinkie messing with Twilight already?

I mean, this reminds me of how the DM was messing with her in Bridle Gossip. Singling her out with a different narrative.
Kinrah 7th Nov 2013, 6:07 AM edit delete reply
Bearing in mind that Fluttershy's character is going to be mostly absent until the last act...
Digo 7th Nov 2013, 8:10 AM edit delete reply
Unless Spud rearranges the origional story a bit. :)
ANW 7th Nov 2013, 6:09 AM edit delete reply
Poll time:
....I can't think of one.
oh standby time.
Rarity/Spike
Yay, Nay, or indifferent.
Me.
ANW 7th Nov 2013, 6:11 AM edit delete reply
Indifferent for me.
Try leaving some space on a new line, and it ignores it.
kriss1989 7th Nov 2013, 6:17 AM edit delete reply
kriss1989
Nay, due o age.
FLZ 7th Nov 2013, 6:19 AM edit delete reply
I hope this is being analysed and collated for something exciting ;)

I'm happy with it when it gives us things like this; generally I'm indifferent. It was originally there to show that Rarity was supposed to be particularly attractive and it just stuck around, but it's fine.
ANW 7th Nov 2013, 6:56 AM edit delete reply
It might it might.
DoubleCross 7th Nov 2013, 6:39 AM edit delete reply
What are Rarity and Spike's ages? And what are the average lifespans of MLPonies and dragons?

I tend to think of Rarity as being four and Spike as being two or three... But Spike as a creature that lives for hundreds of years and Rarity as a normal (well, talking) horse who can live up to thirty if she keeps in good health the entire time.

I do think it's really cute when they interact but I don't ship it because of that age gap and also because while Rarity knows I don't think she's actually attracted to him in the slightest seeing as she treats him like the little kid that he is, just one that's gotten infinitely cuter in the last year or so.
ANW 7th Nov 2013, 6:55 AM edit delete reply
So, is that a nay or indifferent?
Guest 7th Nov 2013, 6:39 PM edit delete reply
Actually, I'm pretty sure MLPonies age just like humans rather than actual ponies. Remember in A Canterlot Wedding when Fake!Cadance remarked how Pinkie Pie's idea for a reception party would be great for a six-year-old, in the context that she found it extremely childish? If they aged like real ponies, six would be a full-grown adult.


~Anyway, I give an indifferent to the ship, mostly because I love pretty much all conceivable ships, though I do have a slight preference for some over others~
NR 7th Nov 2013, 6:39 PM edit delete reply
Oh, and uh, this is me, by the way ^^; .
Guest 7th Nov 2013, 5:23 PM edit delete reply
I'll point out that (even ignoring the fact that Twilight says in Winter Wrap-Up that Ponyville is hundreds of years old, but we know that Granny Smith is older than Ponyville) we know from Apple Family Reunion that AJ is at least 200 months old, and in fact neither she nor Apple Bloom has visibly aged in at least the last 100 months. If they have life spans comparable to Earth horses, and if there are 13 full moons in a year, they can only expect to live about 400 months, which clearly contradicts their lack of aging. So either they have longer lifespans, or Equestria has very short months.
Guest 8th Nov 2013, 11:21 AM edit delete reply
That is assuming that the Apple Family who were present for the Summer Sun Celebration were there for a Official Reunion, rather than crashing at SAA cuz they wanted to be in town for the festivities owing to Celestia's visiting Ponyville that year.
Curb 7th Nov 2013, 6:54 AM edit delete reply
Nay
Summoned Singer 7th Nov 2013, 7:32 AM edit delete reply
Summoned Singer
Hip hip hooray for me! I just adore Spikity, they make such a cute couple, and they parallel almost directly to Beast Boy and Raven from Teen Titans, another Tara Strong voice job!
aylatrigger 7th Nov 2013, 7:47 AM edit delete reply
Nay.
I vote nay on practically all relationships... But really I just don't want the relationship to get screen time.
Thar 7th Nov 2013, 8:32 AM edit delete reply
Hmm. Depends on how far it goes. Some light flirting is alright, but anything more gets too close to creepy.
Dave 7th Nov 2013, 10:39 AM edit delete reply
I think it's rather cute, so Yay!
The age difference is usually people's greatest problem with that ship. Luckily, I have an idea for a fanfiction that would circumvent that problem (and I'm not talking about boring age spells)
Digo 7th Nov 2013, 11:10 AM edit delete reply
Time Travel?
Tatsurou 7th Nov 2013, 12:54 PM edit delete reply
Tatsurou
I vote Yay.
My personal solution to the age difference problem is exploring how, exactly, dragons mature. The fact that greed can push Spike into a giant dragon implies that emotion, rather than time, is the primary growth measurement. Therefor, when a dragon achieves emotional maturity, it is logical that they would achieve physical maturity, whether they are 2 or 200.

Basically, Spike is still a baby dragon because he and everyone around him still thinks of him as such. If they start treating him like an adult, he will start to see himself as one, think and feel as one...and become one.

The only issue there is how big he gets.
Evil Paladin 7th Nov 2013, 2:47 PM edit delete reply
I love me the U.S.S. Sparity! ^_^
Though ages may need to be clarified if Hasbro decides to make the ship canon.
ANW 8th Nov 2013, 4:56 PM edit delete reply
The poll is closed.
The results are
Yay:4
Nay:3
Meh:5
The "Meh" has it.
What does that mean. It means Spike goes on a date with Rarity, to see.
If one more person said yay, Spike would have gotten a kiss, on the lips.
Nays, um.... big rejection.
ANW 8th Nov 2013, 5:01 PM edit delete reply
Spike: Um... Rarity, I just wanted to know that I've a big crush on you.
Rarity: OH... Well, that's interesting. How about a date to make sure if it's just a crush or if it can grow.
Spike: Really?
Rarity: Of course. Though I wonder if you can sweep me off my hooves.
Spike: I'll try. See you at 8 tomorrow?
Rarity: Sounds good to me.
Rokas 7th Nov 2013, 6:26 AM edit delete reply
"Pinkie Pie is an odd character to have taking center stage in your mind when you're writing dialogue."

You have NO idea. She moved in one day and doesn't leave, and she's always there, smiling. Always smiling. And always she is there to fill my mind with chatter and bubbly observations on the ridiculousness of reality and how delicious cake is. Such delicious cake, so tasty and moist, you must try some, she whispers, like an ethereal baker of transcendental goods that breech time-space just by existing, as is her idiom. For she exists out of time, having been born before the creation of this current universe, her body hewn from the living bones of the First World as it was torn asunder in the creation of our present reality.

...Basically, yes, Pinkie Pie is odd and she WILL NOT LEAVE MY MIND.

So writing for her? Always interesting. Very, very interesting. Really, it's more asking her what she would say and then she says it and the rambling goes on and on and it can be so silly especially when she gets carried away without pause or break in her speech as if she doesn't need to breathe and the air just comes unbidden from whatever extradimensional pocket she keeps her cupcakes and eyepatches in and you love cupcakes don't you Newbie?

EMBRACE THE PINK ONE, SHE WHO LAUGHS LAST.
FanOfMostEverything 7th Nov 2013, 7:09 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, writing Pinkie is always fun. It's a bit like channeling a loa, though there's always the question of who's riding who. I usually speak dialogue aloud to make sure it flows, but in her case, that becomes a necessity. You know how movies with Robin Williams have points in the script that just say "Robin goes off here"? Yeah, I basically hook up my right brain to Pinkie (or possibly vice versa) and do that.
Raxon 7th Nov 2013, 9:04 AM edit delete reply
Raxon
Writing Pinkie Pie is easy! You just type what comes naturally!
Midnight Blaze 7th Nov 2013, 10:14 AM edit delete reply
Raxon, what comes naturally to you and what comes naturally to everybody else are two completely different things.
Digo 7th Nov 2013, 10:21 AM edit delete reply
Like apples and bowling balls. :)
Lyntermas 7th Nov 2013, 11:26 AM edit delete reply
Lyntermas
Reminds me of the story behind the creation of Old Man Henderson

"I've done something. I'm not sure it's a good thing yet." he says as he hands me the little binder thing he keeps his character sheets and notes in.
"You've done something?" I ask, as I take the folder from him.
"I.... created? No, created is the wrong term. I feel like it was already there, waiting for me to give it life.I put a thing on paper, and I'm bringing it down on that fat **** like the wrath of god."
"Uh huh." I say, as I look at the sheet. "Is Henderson his first or last name?"
"I don't even ******* know."
Raxon 7th Nov 2013, 5:05 PM edit delete reply
Raxon
Awww, midnight! That's so sweet!
Zena 8th Nov 2013, 11:08 AM edit delete reply
Wait...other people don't have a little Pinkie Pie in their brains, telling 'em what to do?
Malroth 8th Nov 2013, 3:36 PM edit delete reply
I get Discord every time I try that, Or maybe Xellos from slayers.
Letrune 8th Nov 2013, 10:56 AM edit delete reply
Did not knew you are around. Anyways, I can guess this makes pretty hard things inside.

Happily, as a totally normal cat, I am not able to get such issues! But why I got thumbs?
Oh my, I am stuck inside a human body! Help! :D
DoubleCross 7th Nov 2013, 6:49 AM edit delete reply
Were you trying to get ahold of her particular cadence and vocabulary habits when she suddenly started just talking to you endlessly and you found yourself slightly unable to put a lid on it?

Because that happens to me a bit too much.
you know that guy 7th Nov 2013, 7:04 AM edit delete reply
I'd get ahold of her cadence, if you know what I mean.
DoubleCross 7th Nov 2013, 7:09 AM edit delete reply
...

...Do you even know what cadence is or are you just here for the dirty joke?
Raxon 7th Nov 2013, 9:11 AM edit delete reply
Raxon
Shining Armor: And so I said, that's not just a vacuum cleaner, that's my wife!

Twilight: ...

Cadence, and a dirty joke. Everypony's happy now!
Curb 7th Nov 2013, 7:01 AM edit delete reply
Pinkie is the hardest of the Mane 6 for me to write for, it's just not easy for me to get into her mind, as it were. I have attempted it, but she always seems a bit toned down. I really need to watch a bunch of her scenes to get in the right mindset to do it...
Raxon 7th Nov 2013, 9:13 AM edit delete reply
Raxon
Noooo. She's the easiest to write for!
Digo 7th Nov 2013, 10:23 AM edit delete reply
For, the hardest to write for is Princess Luna. A lot of folks like that old Elizabethian way she speaks, but I can't grasp it well.
Keairan 7th Nov 2013, 5:19 PM edit delete reply
Pinkie in my mind is the hardest character to write well for. It's so easy to turn her into a 1-dimensional party-crazy character, rather than the dynamic crazy critter that she is.
Indalecio 7th Nov 2013, 9:51 PM edit delete reply
Keep this joke in mind whenever you write Pinkie.

"Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed, life is harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in threatening world. Doctor says, "Treatment is simple. The great clown Pagliacci is in town. Go see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears."But doctor" He says, "I am Pagliacci.""

"Pinkie is Pagliacci. She loves to cheer up her friends, because that cheers her up. But when they're not around, the crushing weight of her own depression becomes evident, and the longer she's not around her friends, the more depressed she becomes. Sometimes even the clown needs cheering up." - Pagliacci
Jorlem 8th Nov 2013, 12:04 AM edit delete reply
That joke is more or less the basic premise for Pinkie's mini-comic, you know.
terrycloth 8th Nov 2013, 11:45 AM edit delete reply
And the solution is for Pagliacci to teach someone else to be as good a clown as he is so that he can stop the depressing work of being a clown and let them do it instead.
Digo 7th Nov 2013, 7:02 AM edit delete reply
Pinkie reminds me a lot of my brother in terms of how they set up the opening scene for an adventure. It's like playing one of those modern games that starts with a cut scene and then drops the controls to your hands after 10 minutes of exposition that you got no say on. :)

Not sure how Pinkie's game will be received, but my bro usually ran a pretty good game once we got underway.
aylatrigger 7th Nov 2013, 7:51 AM edit delete reply
D&D-wise, that's what my oldest brother would do when DMing. He would have a notebook on backstory...just for the town. He would have 10 pages for in the bar, including bar fights that would occur and bets. Every NPC had a name and a story. ...We eventually got in the habit of skipping the tavern, choosing a random direction, and walking that way until we came upon adventure.
Digo 7th Nov 2013, 8:11 AM edit delete reply
I don't blame you! Ten pages is a bit much for just a bar.
you know that guy 7th Nov 2013, 7:03 AM edit delete reply
This is an interesting challenge. I think any clothier other than Rarity would take a massive penalty on making clothes for a baby dragon simply because of unfamiliarity with the shape.
aylatrigger 7th Nov 2013, 7:57 AM edit delete reply
Judging by 'Armor for Unusual Creatures' for Pathfinder, this would probably only be x2 the cost. Maybe you could have it as x3, but that would bring a Noble's outfit to 225gp...Not too expensive at their current level.
Malroth 7th Nov 2013, 11:41 AM edit delete reply
Not to expensive for an adventuring Hero, Quite Expensive for a Familiar who makes his living sorting books and sweeping floors.
Joe the Rat 7th Nov 2013, 7:03 AM edit delete reply
Here we are discussing strange babbling voices in colored boxes in our heads (and cake), and I can't help but notice Raxon hasn't showed up for comments (and moist, delicious cake).


There's something wrong. Something very, very wrong. And a delectable confectionery creation, a marvelous masterpiece of molded marzipan, fields of fondant and flows of fruit-flavored frosting, beautifully bedecking the baked bounty of the perfect cake.

...

(make it stop)
Digo 7th Nov 2013, 7:11 AM edit delete reply
Well, we can always trying summoning him in the usual classical way--

Raxon Raxon Raxon


...also, for some reason I'm hungry for cake.
Zuche 7th Nov 2013, 7:26 AM edit delete reply
To quote a venerated squirrel, "That trick never works!"

My inner Pinkie Pie moved out a long time ago. The Muse of Bad Humour still visits from time to time, but it's not the same.
Digo 7th Nov 2013, 8:13 AM edit delete reply
Hahaha, and here I totally read the quote in Rocky's voice. I used to do that voice pretty well, but not without my brother who does an excellent Bullwinkle.

We also excelled at Stadler and Woldorf.
Zuche 7th Nov 2013, 8:23 AM edit delete reply
That duo remains one of my favourite parts of The Muppet Show, though there's a lot of contention for top spot there. Good to know they provided such inspiration.
Raxon 7th Nov 2013, 9:16 AM edit delete reply
Raxon
But the trick does work!

So, am I Beetlejuice, Hastur, or am I bloody Mary Wilson? I do own the original marvel girl outfit, so I can wear that.
Thar 7th Nov 2013, 9:16 AM edit delete reply
That's not how you summon him, you summon him like this.

No.
Raxon 7th Nov 2013, 9:39 AM edit delete reply
Raxon
You're a bit late to the party, oh mighty Thar, norse god of piracy.
Midnight Blaze 7th Nov 2013, 10:25 AM edit delete reply
Don't forget Poknir, his mighty hook.
Digo 7th Nov 2013, 11:11 AM edit delete reply
That's just awesome.
Thar 7th Nov 2013, 8:41 PM edit delete reply
Nope, I'm just incredibly early for the next one. So much so that I may need to leave before it starts.
shiva491 7th Nov 2013, 7:56 PM edit delete reply
Thar, is that a Goblins reference?
shiva491 7th Nov 2013, 7:57 PM edit delete reply
Thar, is that a Goblins reference?
Thar 7th Nov 2013, 8:43 PM edit delete reply
Do you mean my comment, or my name?

Both cases are nope. the comment is a reference to a previous page, while my name is just one of the names I use on the internet whenever i need one.
Raxon 8th Nov 2013, 11:24 AM edit delete reply
Raxon
It has been decided, Thar. You are now the patron deity of FiD.
Solitary Performance 7th Nov 2013, 11:24 AM edit delete reply
I know spud's plugged David Silver's Ponyfinder Kickstarter before, so I hope a relevant update isn't too off call...
The free 4.0 adaption, promised by stretch goals, of the base pony races has been put up on DriveThruRPG... so all y'all can convince your DMs to let you run colorful pastel miniature horses in your next 4.0 game or something, XD
Evil Paladin 7th Nov 2013, 2:44 PM edit delete reply
A Princess Bride and a Calvin and Hobbes reference in panel 6?
I believe that qualifies the panel to be the best one in the entirety of the comic.
Halexion 7th Nov 2013, 4:42 PM edit delete reply
Haha. I clicked the next button actually expecting something to happen. XD
Hahaha.
Guest 8th Nov 2013, 10:59 AM edit delete reply
Story Time:
What is the most you have seen (or done) for a DM allowing a player to modify an ability in order to complete a certain action?

My party had a rogue that tried to take a page from batman and whenever possible she would climb to the highest point and jump on enemies for sneak attacks. Every time she would request that her acrobatics modifier should add to her attack roll and eventually the DM started allowing it (he was pretty easy going.) After this became allowed everyone tried to get bonuses in other skills like using minor illusion, prestidigitation, and thaumaturgy all at once (multiple casters) to roll an intimidate check.

By the end of the campaign basically every party member had a special method of adding up to three skill bonuses together for any given task.
terrycloth 8th Nov 2013, 11:48 AM edit delete reply
Isn't that actually a rule in 4th edition? Come up with a wacky combat stunt that lets you use a skill to get an undefined bonus at the GM's discretion?
Zuche 8th Nov 2013, 1:04 PM edit delete reply
Yes, though the results Guest describes are considered excessive. Generally, the successful skill check would grant a +2 bonus to attack roll, though a DM might bump it to +5 for beating the hard DC. (Since that's often much too easy for a trained skill, though, most DMs will just stick to the +2. Some might throw in an equal bonus to damage instead.)

It's a good trick, though just be careful to make sure you'll have combat advantage at the end of the fall, rather than relying on the combat advantage granted by being hidden.
Guest 9th Nov 2013, 5:15 AM edit delete reply
Ah, (OP here) I had not heard of that rule, sorry! I am relatively new to D&D and, quite honestly, have only played D&D NEXT with my group (sorry if that's like, blasphemous to some; it's the only one we could get for free). The other versions do look interesting, but NEXT seems to be the simplest in terms of pick-up and play, despite lack of any prestige-classes. I simply noticed there was no 'story time' on this page and decided to try and make one since they're usually half the reason I come to this comic (half for story time, half for ponies, half for D&D, and half for wonderful author and fans).
Zuche 9th Nov 2013, 10:57 AM edit delete reply
I wouldn't say it's against the rules. Excessively generous, but I've been accused of that myself at times. (The time I let someone's pegasus mount feed him a potion of healing comes to mind.) If the game was fun for everyone, you were playing it properly. If it stops being entertaining because everything is too easy, that's when it might be worth a review of rule interpretation.

As for NEXT, I can't say I've enjoyed what I've seen as much as 4E, but I know it's playable and people can have fun with it. My big concern is that the attempt to utilize good options from every previous system will result in something that isn't 2E enough for those that still prefer 2E, 3E enough for those that consider 3E the game's acme (rather than its Acme product), or 4E enough for the 4E players. If WotC gets a better grip on design approval for products they'll add to the line later, it should be fine.
Digo 9th Nov 2013, 5:39 AM edit delete reply
In a GURPS super hero adventure, I gave someone a +23 bonus to succeed an attack roll because they were at point blank range trying to hit an SUV with their powers. It's practically guaranteed!

They ended up failing anyway on the first attack. ;_;
DukeDeku 8th Nov 2013, 3:38 PM edit delete reply
I'm new to the webcomic having just discovered it the other day and already read the entire thing.
How often do you update this?
ANW 8th Nov 2013, 4:52 PM edit delete reply
Says it on top.
If I "Typed" rude, then I'm sorry in advance.
Lyntermas 8th Nov 2013, 5:46 PM edit delete reply
Lyntermas
Friendship is Dragons updates on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays. Glad to have you with us, DukeDeku.
ShadowStar 8th Nov 2013, 3:48 PM edit delete reply
Fear the Pinkie.