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The Doozy
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Newbiespud 25th Jan 2014, 6:00 AM edit delete
Newbiespud
If there's one aspect of this arc that's been hanging over like the Sword of Damocles, it's been the moral of the episode. When this arc was just getting started, the ending was in a quantum state, flipping between many different possible resolutions. I couldn't decide on a message for the longest time.

Now that the waveform has collapsed, I'm actually rather happy with how it turned out. (Also, if I'm mixing up my physics metaphors, please don't shoot me.)

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Antipode 25th Jan 2014, 6:08 AM edit delete reply
Seeing Pinkie Pie actually getting her moment here with Twilight's support is rather tear-jerking.

...Tear-jerking.

I meant it's good. If you'll excuse me, the dust mites are in my eyes...
Philadelphus 25th Jan 2014, 1:22 PM edit delete reply
Philadelphus
You too, huh? Those dust mites are really active today. If you'll excuse me...
Jennifer 25th Jan 2014, 6:11 AM edit delete reply
Heh. I didn't THINK the "faith over rationalism" would be part of this (well, it WOULD actually fit if it was really a fantasy and not a show with an educational requirement), but I wasn't sure what else you could do if you stuck to the screencaps. You haven't, so I'm encouraged by the possibilities! I hope we see some of the others at the end of the arc
Your metaphors look perfectly fine and unmixed, by the way.
Raxon 25th Jan 2014, 11:07 AM edit delete reply
Raxon
Yeah, I hated the "just believe, don't try to learn" unintentional message. To make it better, my headcannon says that Twilight dodged a bullet, because Pinkie's Pinkie sense is derived from her attunement to things ponies were not meant to know.

Yes, I am saying the fouth wall is a lovecraftian horror. You love it and you know it.
Seanpony Renaud 25th Jan 2014, 11:51 AM edit delete reply
I didn't even take it as a don't try to learn message. Twilight did try to learn and failed. Maybe she lacks the necessary tools. I would think of it kinda like say gravity where we know the universe as explained doesn't quite make sense but things still work out predictably so we put a pin in the 'why' category to come back to later. In twilights case when she has a few more ranks in spellcraft and some bonus Intel.
Adser 25th Jan 2014, 12:19 PM edit delete reply
Funny detail about the chapter, Pinkie had a much more scientific mind that twilight. She had observed her Pikie Sense at work for years and was able to deduce their meaning (basic hypothesis from observation, the core of the scientific metod), while Twilight denied a consistent event because it didn't followed her explanations (any good researcher knows that you can almost bet your hypothesis will be proven wrong with time and technology advances).
HappyMuffin 25th Jan 2014, 2:33 PM edit delete reply
@Adser

I'll admit that you're right about the "Twi shouldn't deny events that have been observed" part. But I'm going to have to stop you about the "Pinky is more scientific" part. I've been saying this WHOLE time that pinky can't possably have enough evedince to support her claim.

Given the causes and efects of the pinky sense she should be pretty much cosnstantly shaking (and should probably have a nearly constant DEX penalty from it).She would need some substantial evedince to make the twitching a plausable seer power and not just random twitching.Even with that, there are overlaps in the power so it would be extreamly difficult to figure out what causes what. Doing so would probably take an experianced researcher over a decade without magical help. I don't know what the limits are for magic so I can't just discount that, But I do know that bards don't have that ability.

So either she got a few years worth of help from a resident supper wizard or she's just guessing. Given the sucess rate for her predictions its probably the first one...

So fine, maybe she is better at this than Twi because she can figure out when she doesn't have the nececary tools to solve a problem but I don't think that you should say that Pinky is more scientific just because Twi hasen't decided within the first day of reserching this to go ask Celestia for help.
Raxon 25th Jan 2014, 1:22 PM edit delete reply
Raxon
An excellent point. Maybe the answers are there, but it's just not her field. Maybe it has to do with a sort of abnormal biological process.

It's. Pinkie Pie. Having mutant powers sounds entirely reasonable.
T 25th Jan 2014, 1:18 PM edit delete reply
Beyond the fourth wall there are horrors that would drive anypony mad!
Raxon 25th Jan 2014, 1:27 PM edit delete reply
Raxon
The horrors beyond the veil broke Pinkie. She was reforged as something new. Not quite a pony, not quite a monster.
FanOfMostEverything 25th Jan 2014, 6:34 PM edit delete reply
Oh, we're not that bad!

Usually.

On a good day.

In the right light.

If you have a +20 base Will save.
Raxon 25th Jan 2014, 8:11 PM edit delete reply
Raxon
You mean you guys don't gridlock fan forums with wildly controversial slashfics as a hobby? Flame wars are so much more fun when you write crackfics and post them on twilight forums. I have also been known to write crackfics and posting them on PETA forums.

A noble activist releases a bunch of experiment subjects, and is followed home by a genetically engineered canine. They fall in love, and some of it is, quite frankly, terrible. My favorite was when she sought out some scientists, and convinced them to artificially impregnate her as a surrogate mother with the young of her animal lover. And then she gave birth to hyperintelligent puppies, which she had to put to death, because domestication is bad.

Then again, that was years ago. Nowadays, I could make it much worse.

But hey, it was way more tolerable than my star wars slashfic where Han catches Greedo cheating on him with Jabba. Or rather, it was less disgusting. It was still pretty horrifying. Still a better love story than Twilight.

Then ponies taught me to love and tolerate. Now I'm less of a troll and more just an all around nut. Except to PETA. I still troll them whenever I feel like it, but I'm a little less militant about it. I just troll them when I get a chance, I don't go out of my way to do it.
D'sparil 26th Jan 2014, 6:50 PM edit delete reply
Your post indirectly brings up a question I've had for a while - is there a term for those of us who are still terrible people? Like, I feel kind of awkward among the "love and tolerate" crowd at times... like when a bunch of sycophants are praising terribly trite and poorly-written fanfic.
Raxon 26th Jan 2014, 11:30 PM edit delete reply
Raxon
Love and tolerate does not exclude the option of tactfully telling someone your honest opinion of their work.

I mean, I know you guys love and tolerate me, but I would certainly expect you to tell me if my idea blows chunks. Several of them genuinely have been terrible, I mean, if I hadn't tried to build a combustion engine out of mousetraps and firecrackers, I'd still have my lucky safety goggles. Man, I am so glad I was wearing them.

FYI, wooden mousetraps are not sturdy enough to withstand a firecracker. And you can't use the mousetrap firecracker combo to wind a clockwork device. See, the wire part had this metal plat, and the spring on it powered the device. When it wound down, it set off the firecracker, which should have blown the trap open again, resetting it. The phrase critical structural failure comes to mind.

But anyway, yeah, love and tolerance are cool, but don't be afraid to tell someone they can do better, or that they screwed up.

I'll never forget you, lucky safety goggles.
D'sparil 27th Jan 2014, 8:56 PM edit delete reply
Since you seem like you've been around the internet block a few times, I assume you realize that even tactfully-presented honest opinions usually end in flame wars. Also, I enjoy ripping people a new one online - though Google's acquisition of Youtube has curtailed that somewhat, since I don't want that activity associated with my main account and by the time I relog to a sock puppet I'm likely to lose track of the comment I was going to respond to in the first place.
Raxon 28th Jan 2014, 12:58 AM edit delete reply
Raxon
I do not, and I never intend to have a google+ account. Screw that. I am not going to make a second account just to comment on youtube. I either upvote the video or downvote, and I am pretty generous with my likes.

But yeah, I didn't comment much except to praise or offer criticism before the change. I don't care enough to bother with it now. Case in point, I adblock and flashblock youtube, and just watch videos. It may not mean much, but I won't contribute those few cents they get from it.

Also, I only adblock youtube, brcause other sites I want to support. And if you are good boys and girls, you won't adblock unless you need to.

TThough I do admit to using flashblock happily, because screw those noisy ads!
Guest 25th Jan 2014, 1:47 PM edit delete reply
I rather liked the "accept empirical observations" message. Very pro-science.
Luna 25th Jan 2014, 6:14 AM edit delete reply
Found this comic a while ago, great job out there. Making a campaign comic out of my little pony is a bit of a challenge, but it really turns out nicely.

And i'm with Fluttershy on that one. Sometimes, a player breaks out of his usual playstyle so hard you can't help to wonder if that's not a shapeshifter or something like that.
ANW 25th Jan 2014, 6:41 AM edit delete reply
Sweetie Belle, Luna, Discord, Zecora, Fluttershy, Mane-ic, Angel, and now Derpy.
Last one.
They more important then then background, but not as much as the Main, It's the side charters.
Rules for this one is, no CMC (already did them), the Princess (same reason), or anyone already on the list(no repeats).
Me: Big Mac, Eeypp.
Dakkath 25th Jan 2014, 7:51 AM edit delete reply
Well Darn, if I knew this was the last category I wouldn't have said Zecora and Derpy on the previous ones.

Guess I'll go with Granny Smith.
Euric 25th Jan 2014, 9:27 AM edit delete reply
Hmm, no cmc, no zecora... that's a toughie.

I'm gonna say shining armour, cause bbbff
Ref 25th Jan 2014, 10:59 AM edit delete reply
Another one mystified by the "No Zecora" here. Hmmm... I guess there aren't many options here... Let's go with Shining.
Tatsurou 25th Jan 2014, 12:20 PM edit delete reply
Tatsurou
As stated, "no Zecora" is because she's already on the list and no repeats, which makes sense.

As for me, I'm going to vote Mayor Mare.
Summoned Singer 25th Jan 2014, 2:17 PM edit delete reply
Summoned Singer
For reasons stated in my previous vote, which you all ignored in your Deep rush, I must go with BonBon.
XanatosDrake 25th Jan 2014, 2:58 PM edit delete reply
I'm going with flash sentry on this one.
Disloyal Subject 30th Jan 2014, 9:23 PM edit delete reply
Shining Armor. Mostly because he's the perfect foil to my shamelessly Marty Stuish semi-self-insert unicorn OC, but there're worse reasons to cast a vote.
Digo 25th Jan 2014, 7:05 AM edit delete reply
The physics metaphors seem correct, but double points for the Sword of Damocles reference because I do believe that it was hung over the throne by horse hair. :D
Joe the Rat 25th Jan 2014, 7:29 AM edit delete reply
Oohhh, nifty. I hadn't heard of the horse hair part.
Taking things on faith - and trusting your friends - is abig part of the original story. I would have liked a little more emphasis on the idea that you can't have all the answers, and you need to be able to accept ambiguity at times.

As a D&D story, we DO have an explanation for Pinkie Sense. Pinkie is a Bard. She can detect plot hooks.
schpeelah 25th Jan 2014, 8:50 AM edit delete reply
Well, that and she's got Danger Sense and Uncanny Dodge for immediate threats.
Hawkflight 26th Jan 2014, 12:58 AM edit delete reply
See, I would have thought that it was a Perception-related Skill Trick.
Euric 25th Jan 2014, 9:38 AM edit delete reply
Story time!

Tell about a time when someone acted out if ordinary, weather it was them or their character.


So last session, the party was going against a small group of goblins, and our LG cleric decided to knock the last one out, for questioning. After rolling the ONLY damage roll that could have knocked him out (any more and it would be dead instantly) they tied him to a tree and tried to get some answers out of him. Long story short, the CG warrior/ranger player idly suggested chopping one of his fingers off. To my astonishment every one agreed, including the cleric...
Midnight Blaze 25th Jan 2014, 9:56 AM edit delete reply
In a homebrew game I was GMing for, we had ESP in a modern setting instead of magic in a fantasy setting. The guy that usually plays a wizard decided to play a pyrokinetic, and later got a knife that a boss had been using. The single most shocking moment in the game was when the pyromaniac knife nut suggested negotiating with the enemy.
Raxon 25th Jan 2014, 11:23 AM edit delete reply
Raxon
Acting out of the ordinary, you say? Let me tell you abot my blind deaf mute gelatinous cube psionic named Wobbles and his pet flumph, Jezebel.

So there they were, surrounded by dire badgers, when all of a sudden, my peaceful, enlightened cube suddenly turns red and goes berserk. Very uncharacteristic of him. Every other round, he was approaching one and eating it. He was going wild, and hecwas an unstoppable force of nature against those badgers! A force of nature with a land speed of five. When the rest of the party saw he had gone mad, they fled to escape until the warlock noticed something. He approached Wobbles and pulled a thorn out of his corner.

Yeah, it was that kind of session.
Digo 25th Jan 2014, 10:44 AM edit delete reply
Ordinary Weather? :)

My players are always Chaotic Butter alignments, so rarely do they break that kind of character.
JET73L 25th Jan 2014, 6:34 PM edit delete reply
My ex was playing one of the small, hyper races, and intended to act jovial and friendly and inventive (Pinkie Pie, basically, but this was before FiM premiered), but when it came time to roleplay after she started to get a little bored or something, she got frustrated and made her character act the way she felt at the time (like an obstinate grump who eventually let everyone else do their thing and ignore her).
aylatrigger 25th Jan 2014, 11:38 PM edit delete reply
aylatrigger
This is one where one character almost did an action completely out of the ordinary for him, but realized he didn't want to and tried to fix it...poorly. Hopefully that's close enough.

So, this was when our party was a traveling circus. We had decided this without the DM having made an adventure plot based off this, so much of the plot he threw at us was 'you are adventurers so go kill x' while we were like 'heck no, let's go kidnap strange creatures and put on shows'. Along with the DM, 2 other characters had decided they didn't like the circus idea, and were adventurers trying to save their tribe or something. So we kidnapped them and forced them to work for the circus. Anyway, eventually the Gm just tried to railroad us into his original plot, so while we were in the capital city, we were called to come before the king. Our troop leader went along, hoping this would bring more recognition for our circus. He also brought a penguin for a gift to the king. The king accepted the penguin, and told the ring leader that he wanted us to go and investigate some other plane in a portal. Obviously this type of thing is NOT the usual request of a traveling circus, but it's the king asking, so our ring leader said yes. Only after he made it back to our circus caravan did he realize: "Wait, why did I give him that penguin? We NEED that penguin." So the troop decided before we went on this mission, we needed our penguin back. We only had two penguins, after all, and the king didn't even want to watch us perform! So in the dead of night, our more stealthy characters and myself (I was the druid, animal trainer, and money hungry accountant of the troop) stole into the castle and into the royal menagerie and took our penguin back. Then early the next morning we set off through the portal to the other world.

That world turned out to have acid spitting dinosaurs and we managed to capture a baby one after fighting its mom, so it wasn't a total loss. But the time flow must have been different, as we returned soon after, but the country we had left was already at war with another country, which they accused of the grievous penguin theft. We stealthily left the country and later heard that it had been destroyed.

But we had the penguin back.
Raxon 25th Jan 2014, 11:00 AM edit delete reply
Raxon
Be careful, Twilight. You are on a dark and tragic path right now. You have learned to believe. This is a dangerous thing.

Belief leads to trust.
Trust leads to devotion.
Devotion leads to blindness.
Blindness leads to deception.
Deception leads to Xenu.
Digo 25th Jan 2014, 8:39 PM edit delete reply
What does Xenu lead to?
Raxon 25th Jan 2014, 8:43 PM edit delete reply
Raxon
Xenu is the most evil creature. His ultimate goal is to destroy peanuts forever!

And I think there was something about stealing souls or something. I stopped listening around the point they explained that I need to strap a low level electrocution device to my body.
Digo 26th Jan 2014, 7:57 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, that's probably a good point to stop listening and just leave the conversation. :)

Raxon 26th Jan 2014, 1:36 PM edit delete reply
Raxon
And it wasn't even in a fun way! They expected me to meditate and keep my hands where everyone could see them. It was such a turn off.
Sensei Le Roof 26th Jan 2014, 4:59 PM edit delete reply
Tom Cruise.
Raxon 26th Jan 2014, 11:54 PM edit delete reply
Raxon
Maybe Raxon should start something similar for a source of legitimate income. You know, charging people exorbitant fees for the honor of 'enlightenment'.

Oh wait, he already does that. He gives zen levitation classes, and charges $800 a week for weekly sessions, plus a required hundred for a "chi focus" pendant.

It is literally just a necklace that lets you hover three feet in the air while meditating. People pay $800 per session for essentially a quiet room with two hundred other people and the scent of burning incense.

Geeze, he doesn't even need to do it himself, and he's making money hand over fist. For an enchanted item of such a low level it doesn't even have an xp cost to enchant. It's not like a flight spell. It only works on a sturdy surface, and your own focus powers it. And people pay a hundred dollars for these things. I mean, they're stainless steel cutout things with glowing runes stamped into them. Practically mass produced.

So yeah, not quite a cult, but people pay him $3200 a month to sit on a mat and float three feet in the air. Not quite a cult, and not quite a scam, but... well, okay, yeah, it is kind of a scam. Except he tells people they can meditate with the things at home. Bah.

Screw it. Just gonna call it savvy business practices.

Way more profitable than selling feather falling rings and jump enhancers at gaming cons.

EDIT: After running the numbers, assuming 100 people per class and four two hour classes per day, I realized this comes out to a billion dollars a year. That's a bit too high. Modified to $100 for a 30 minute session, and six classes a day, seven days a week, still becomes several million a yeah, but that's way more manageable.

At the reduced price, he can open several locations. NYC, LA, Tokyo,etc. He's going for making it widespread, not squeezing out the maximum profits.
Philadelphus 25th Jan 2014, 1:20 PM edit delete reply
Philadelphus
As the holder of a Bachelors of Physics degree, I can say that your quantum mechanics metaphors are pretty good (and better than most). There's only one tiny thing I would change, but I'll let it slide this time on the basis of your consistent high standard of quality in this comic. =)
Jesin 26th Jan 2014, 3:24 PM edit delete reply
And what is that tiny thing?
Raxon 26th Jan 2014, 11:33 PM edit delete reply
Raxon
Quantum physics. Tiny thing. Hah!

Nice.
Sensei Le Roof 26th Jan 2014, 4:58 PM edit delete reply
Ohhhhhhhh dear. I'm not sure I like that look...
Disloyal Subject 30th Jan 2014, 9:31 PM edit delete reply
I know I do! But then, I have a thing for psychotic and/or cocky smirks. I blame Han Solo.
Great Dinn 26th Jan 2014, 11:59 PM edit delete reply
Great Dinn
With the first official, non-practice session of Fallout is Dragons finished, I present...NOTES!
Cobalt 29th Jan 2014, 7:39 PM edit delete reply
Once the GM comes back and Pinkie isn't in charge, I wonder if the GM is going to need much convincing to let Pinkie get away with doing such impossible things for the sake of comic relief. Pinkie Sense would probably not be too much trouble; Bardic Knowledge is often used as the GM's way of giving exposition to his players, and minor precognition like Pinkie Pie's would be useful to do that without spoiling things too much.