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11th Sep 2018, 6:00 AM in The Return of Harmony, Part 1
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Newbiespud 11th Sep 2018, 6:00 AM edit delete
The plight of the writer:
"Heh, it's a simple repetition joke that pokes fun at this mindset, but it'll carry me through the page– whoops, I've already made the word meaningless to myself. Ow my brain."

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Rakaydos 11th Sep 2018, 6:05 AM edit delete reply
So, Applejack considers his curse nasty but fair, and is taking care to make sure he doesn't overstep himself.

And we're set up to get Fluttershy thoughts on Thursday.
Rakaydos 11th Sep 2018, 6:45 AM edit delete reply
Curse my gendered pronouns.
Digo Dragon 11th Sep 2018, 7:43 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
Discord got you too, huh?

AJ did walk into her curse, and it is good that she realizes it. Maybe she can find a way to break the curse, or a loop-hole she can exploit in some subtle way to hep Twilight find a way to break it.
ThatGuest 11th Sep 2018, 7:49 AM edit delete reply
Well the curse said she can never -reveal- the truth. So then if it's already known she can talk about it according to the wording. Fluttershy already told everyone's Discord plan. Discord never said anything about never saying anything truthful, it's AJ who took it to that extreme.
Guest 11th Sep 2018, 9:09 AM edit delete reply
"Lie. Change the subject. Gaslight (what you remember is wrong!) If you have to."

Applejack has all the meta knowledge, so anything he confirms is revealed as truth. Which means she can't even confirm something someone else said, if it would revealed something useful.
ThatGuest 11th Sep 2018, 9:21 AM edit delete reply
That was just advice he was giving on how to keep from telling the truth the 'proper' way. Either way if he tried to police AJ talking to people in real life that no bueno.
Rakaydos 11th Sep 2018, 9:58 AM edit delete reply
True, but this is meta-happy Applejack, always looking for a deeper game. There doesn't actually have to be a penalty if she believes there might be.
Kereea 11th Sep 2018, 12:02 PM edit delete reply
A good point. We don't know what Discord DM would actually do as a punishment...wouldn't AJ breaking her curse for the good of her friends be a good thing, after all? I think a lot of this she's doing to herself because she's a total overthinker. Just like how Rarity's curse is exacerbated by her love of drama. She JUST has to carry the rock around and think it's a diamond, but she's gone all out bonkers over it and Pinkie's by her getting into it for kicks.
ThatGuest 11th Sep 2018, 12:28 PM edit delete reply
Actually, remember Discord said at the beginning if they ever cheated, broke the rules or disobeyed him he'd basically throw the elements into the void so they couldn't beat him....then blow up the world for the hell of it probably. So if any of them ever just ignore their curse he'll just declare that he wins, they lose and flip the table and then set fire to it while he struts off happily.
gloomie 11th Sep 2018, 12:44 PM edit delete reply
Or, since Discord isn't the only GM of the campaign, if any breaks the rules of the game D takes the Elements away, and the original GM can have the epic campaign they were looking for originally.

I mean. Even if you look at DiscordDM as evil incarnate there's actual checks and balances against that.
ThatGuest 11th Sep 2018, 12:47 PM edit delete reply
That would be a horrible decision though. I doubt the players would appreciate spending all this time on the game just to be not only put back on hard tracks, but tracks they left behind -motnhs- ago. It would feel like the GM was being bitter about them ruining the initial adventure and forcing them to play it now as revenge.
Digo Dragon 11th Sep 2018, 1:12 PM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
Well, the GM did allude to still feeling salty on the first page of this arc about losing the original campaign...
ThatGuest 11th Sep 2018, 1:35 PM edit delete reply
If that's the case I'll be very disappointed in the GM if they're still holding a grudge over that.
evileeyore 11th Sep 2018, 10:14 PM edit delete reply
"So if any of them ever just ignore their curse he'll just declare that he wins, they lose and flip the table and then set fire to it while he struts off happily."

Or, doesn't flip the table and crap all over everything. Just pitches the Elements into the Void and is very disappointed in the Players for cheating.
ThatGuest 11th Sep 2018, 10:47 PM edit delete reply
You're assuming that Discord is playing this legitmately. I suspect that he's more like a carnival game operator, he's rigged it and got pissed when Fluttershy was smart enough to see that despite everyone else assuming Discord had a reason for all this and he's just trying to run a fun game.

Right from the beginning it was probably rigged. He said he wouldn't cheat but here's the thing. He's the GM right now.....he can do anything he wants and doesn't need to 'cheat'.
Digo Dragon 12th Sep 2018, 5:26 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
It's not cheating when you make the rules? ;)
HappyEevee 12th Sep 2018, 9:36 AM edit delete reply
DiscorDM is only the CO-GM. He does not have absolute control of the game. And as I've said before, YES the initial phase of the arc was rigged so they would get themselves cursed. That was the setup for them having a real need to defeat Discord instead of ignoring him. He's still there to be defeated.
ThatGuest 12th Sep 2018, 10:51 AM edit delete reply
This is probably going to be a plot point at some part soon but for now Discord -does- have total control because at the moment to be super blunt.....the GM is a doormat. The -moment- he started ripping Fluttershy's player a new one that should have been it. Also it's -extremely- clear the Discord has vetted none of this with the GM at all and the GM has a very~ unhealthy amount of hero worship towards Discord and would likely at the time allow themselves to be very easily talked down to and he could strongarm his way into getting to do whatever he wanted.

To quote two of my favorite film characters... Let me make this as monosyllabic as possible.....
DuoScratch 12th Sep 2018, 6:02 PM edit delete reply
I mean, that's like, your opinion man.

We've had this dance before ThatGuest, so I'ma just say, I think you're overblowing it, yadda yadda yadda, seeing things that aren't there, yadda yadda yadda, not nearly as much railroading happening as you think there is, yadda yadda yadda, putting too much of your own personal history into someone else's story, yadda yadda yadda, not willing to compromise at all, yadda yadda yadda, and I've covered all that.

Moving on from there, so as to not tread old ground too long. ;p

It really does look like AJ's overthinking/overmetaing herself into a corner. I'm sure that they can talk about it OOC. No DM in the world would try to inflict a penalty on that kinda thing, since in reality, they have no power once a session's done. Usually secrets in game are kept by players in an effort to keep the plot of the game interesting. And if nothing else, most of them seem interested in what's happening. He's got his hook, now, lets see how he runs with it. This will be the telling part on whether or not he's also an out of game villain or not. This is where we all need to really pay attention.
ThatGuest 12th Sep 2018, 6:23 PM edit delete reply
I might be over thinking it yes but I'm also trying to think of what would end up making a good story. A story where everything just goes to hell, egged on by a sabotaging Discord seems like a much more dramatic story than it turning out that Discord is actually nice already and helps fix things when things start to get bad. Not to mention we have an entire episode and a half of screenshots to use still where things get -worse-. I just don't see what kind of interesting plot there is with the thought that Discord isn't actually a real bad guy, diffuses the situation and everyone just plays a normal game while eating pizza. *shrugs*

Just like the last arc, things went really bad to keep it interesting.
DuoScratch 12th Sep 2018, 8:05 PM edit delete reply
And things CAN get bad with Discord the CHARACTER being the bad guy, not DiscorDM, which are two different entities. You CAN have one be a good, decent person, and still an effective foil. Just saiyan.
ThatGuest 12th Sep 2018, 8:23 PM edit delete reply
Yes, you can I just don't see how that make an interesting story for others to read though because then it's just a normal game. That's also ignoring the fact that Discord is very obviously trying to create RL drama. Decent people just there to run a fun game don't really snap as fast as he did with Fluttershy.
HappyEevee 13th Sep 2018, 11:20 AM edit delete reply
ThatGuest, just because you don't see how it could be done doesn't mean it CAN'T be done. Why don't you just relax and let Newbiespud tell the story? We can see that DiscorDM is triggering you over some RL stuff that's happened to you, but I really think you should let this arc play out and see how things are resolved before making such harsh character judgments.
ThatGuest 13th Sep 2018, 11:32 AM edit delete reply
The only think I'm really bothered by is that this all started with me just pointing out things that could be red flags to Discord not being a nice guy, then having people losing their minds over the fact that I didn't have 100% faith in Discord being a saint or something. *shrugs*
Hankroyd 11th Sep 2018, 6:05 AM edit delete reply
And now RD will be playing Meta...l Gear Solid.
ThatGuest 11th Sep 2018, 6:52 AM edit delete reply
Applejack I have three words that would instantly counter any meta effect Dicord tried to use for talking to Dash in RL.

"Oh, shut up."
albedoequals1 11th Sep 2018, 6:55 AM edit delete reply
My favorite counter-spell. :P
ThatGuest 11th Sep 2018, 6:59 AM edit delete reply
Frankly with all the initial rules stacked on top of the new curse rules to dictate what they can do so he can lead them around by the nose I'd say calling him on everything would be a fine option. Cheat, dare him to destroy the world and if the GM actually lets some guest GM completely destroy their campaign setting without saying anything it's probably time to start a new game anyways.
Needling Haystacks 11th Sep 2018, 10:25 AM edit delete reply
Refusing to play the same game is always a valid move, but whether it's a good idea can be...variable. I suspect AJ suspects that this may turn out kinda fun in the long run.
ThatGuest 11th Sep 2018, 10:40 AM edit delete reply
I dunno, it didn't really seem like she was having a lot of fun when they were playing, just frustrated. And now she's felt the need to isolate herself from everyone else because she thinks she'll be punished for talking to them about something accidentally. That's not really good.
Kereea 11th Sep 2018, 12:04 PM edit delete reply
The question comes down to how much she's doing it to herself, tho. She's treating it totally as a punishment, not a thing to find an interesting way to work around. Like, can't reveal the truth? Okay, that doesn't mean you can't work with the party to solve the problem and have fun doing it.
Guest 11th Sep 2018, 12:31 PM edit delete reply
I’m not certain I agree with that. It kinda feels like looking at someone who has had a leg bitten off by a dire bear and thinking they should be looking at it as an interesting new challenge to have fun playing with and not as a problem in need of immediate care. Because while discorDM may not be an enemy, discord the character has been spelled out as a mean spirited manipulator who enjoys hurting people. Added to that, since applejack’s player doesn’t have a literal curse on her, the only restriction on what she says is what she thinks she is allowed to say, and she can’t push that boundary without ether asking discorDM if something is a useable loophole, or trying something and seeing if discorDM shoots her down. The former is inviting answers like “I Haden’s thought of that, but now I have so no” and the latter relies on discorDM having to watch everything applejack and her player says, and instantly catching when something is or is not permissible to say. It also isn’t really fair for her to push that way with discorDM, as he isn’t a mind reader, and may not realize what she is going for until she has already gone into curse breaking territory. All in all I don’t think this curse works very well as a challenge at all.
Guest 11th Sep 2018, 11:15 AM edit delete reply
I think I see another problem here. Applejack’s player is seeing her curse as a punishment for meta gaming, not as a challenge to overcome and that mentality from a dm, that “if you play in a way I don’t like your character will be punished” is not one I like.
It may be that wasn’t what discorDM was trying for, that this is a tailored challenge to overcome (though if that is the case I sure don’t see a solution with the pieces provided) but if that is the way it come across to the player then discorDM needs to clarify some things.
And if applejack’s player * is correct that this is a punishment for metagaming then we have other problems. I for one am a firm believer in “you do not punish characters for metagaming”. If someone is metagaming and you have a problem with it then talk to the player about it. When you punish people in game for out of game actions you get things like this with players afraid to play for fear of further punishment. Whereas if you talk to them and establish what is and isn’t to far, than everyone can continue playing happily.

*(sidebar has anyone else noticed that none has f the players have names? I know it’s kind of obvious but with this arc I’ve been thinking if it may be affecting my perception of “mean fo character” and “mean to player”)
ThatGuest 11th Sep 2018, 11:25 AM edit delete reply
If it's supposed to be a challenge against her metagaming then it would make more sense for it to be about her having to go into something totally blind and trust her own instincts and judgement. Discord's curse however came off as more of a punichment. A 'reason you suck' speech to rub AJ's playstyle in her face and smack her with the proverbial rolled up newspaper.
Guest 11th Sep 2018, 11:38 AM edit delete reply
original commenter.

That is about how I saw it but I was trying to give some benefit of the doubt to DiscorDM. But as you have made clear, that is becoming an increasingly hard view to take. I'm about at the point were the best thing I can say about DiscorDM is that he may not be a bad person, but he is definitely a bad DM for this group. Doubly so with no warning for the players and with he not having any actual personal interactions with the people he is playing with beforehand.
ThatGuest 11th Sep 2018, 11:59 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, none of these things are 'challenges' if they were it'd be about forcing the group to face something contrary to their personality, element or playstyle. Like rather than making Pinkie super serious she'd have to face a situation where her usual bardic tricks (singing, dilomancy etc.) didn't work and she'd have to figure out a way to overcome something forcefully even though her character isn't built for that.

Rarity's challenge would be similar, probably not only having to face something head on with no chance of sneaking around or talking past it, and also possibly forcing her to blindly trust someone with her level of innate paranoia. Not just turn her into a manical greedy jerk.
GrayGriffin 11th Sep 2018, 7:01 PM edit delete reply
I'm half-willing to be charitable here and say that Applejack is overthinking things. "You know the truth but can't share it/won't be believed" is a standard enough curse, and the acceptance of the curse and information was all given IC. On the other hand, we don't know if the regular DM told DiscorDM about the players' usual habits. If they did then I'm much more willing to see it as DiscorDM targeting her metagaming habit personally.
Guest 11th Sep 2018, 7:16 PM edit delete reply
I get the impression that regular DM at least gave their general impression and experience with their players, judging by how spot on his pitch for rarity’s curse was. But regular DM is not always the best at judging how their players will respond to things, so they may not have given a flawless assessment of their character.
The other thing that bugs me about this curse is how undefined “the truth” is that applejack’s player is not allowed to reveal. Because taking the most unhelpful and restrictive interpretation (which seems reasonable when the being that cursed you is in character malevolent and wanting my you to suffer for his amusement) applejack cannot speak truthfully about anything revealed to her, anything she deduces from that knowledge, anything she deduces from later information and she can’t honestly agree with anything anyone else presented as a theory, or even call out “hey come help I’m being attacked!”
And I really think that the responsibility of explaining what a curse that needs to be self enforced does falls to the curse giver.
ThatGuest 11th Sep 2018, 10:54 PM edit delete reply
Discord left it vague on purpose so he would have a better chance at using to outright declare his victory. "Ha! You just confirmed something as true! That's ignoring your curse so I win, I destroy the elements and just for the hell of it since you can't stop me I'm going to blow up this stupid world! Woo! I'm the best, eat it!"
Freemage 12th Sep 2018, 1:34 PM edit delete reply
I'm gonna channel AJ here, ThatGuest, and point out that on a meta level, that's... beyond unlikely. There's a story being told here, and while it's fine to dislike elements of that story, or characters in it, or whatever, it makes no sense to make predictions of what will happen that suggest the story is about to self-terminate.

From the meta-level, there's really two main possibilities, here:

1: DMCord ultimately is shown to have a long-term plan that actually is to the benefit of the players and the game. The moral here is to trust someone who is investing that much time and effort into providing you with a game.

2: DMCord goes too far in some fashion (but no, not destroying the entire world), and is reigned in by PrimeGM, thereby demonstrating a different lesson--the need to work cooperatively and with respect to the boundaries of others at the table to produce a game fun for all.

What is NOT going to happen is DMCord flipping the table and destroying the game. Because while, in theory, that could be undone by the primary GM, it falls apart on a story level. For one thing, it's reasonable to suspect we're going to get a later appearance of GMCord, using screenshots of his growing friendship with Fluttershy. The apocalyptic scenarios some have been positing would absolutely make that sort of subsequent scenario impossible.

Furthermore, even if NewbieSpud was never going to use that storyline for material (unlikely), the "Complete table flip, gets undone by the Primary" notion would make for a lousy story, especially if the players continued playing in the game at all.
ThatGuest 12th Sep 2018, 2:21 PM edit delete reply
I've never said I thought the total table flip was going to be how things ended in the story. Just that it's what I believe Discord's planed end for this is. I'm sure he'll be thwarted at some point.

Here's how I think the story will play out, after the pizza break things will continue to deteriorate and escalate. Probably due to RD having a much lower tolerance than Twi for putting up with everything. The session will end with the group all just kind of melting down and ripping into each other, Discord and the GM. Discord won't give a damn about it, this is what he wanted after all. Meanwhile the GM will be crushed, both from the game they wanted to create being completely trashed and the pedestal they put Discord on dramatically crumbling after he probably reveals to their face how much of an asshole he is and if he want's to be especially cruel, tell them about how little he thinks of them.

We'll skip a few weeks and Twi and the GM will share letters (texts) with each other and gradually remember how good the game was when the GM was running it, even though the GM used to think it was a wreck and they were doing a bad job running the game. Twilight rounds everyone up, Dash being the hardest to convince probably because she swore to beat Discord with a bat if she ever saw him again or something. They even ask Discord back just so they can really confront him in game and RL.

Final confrontation, everyone starts ripping into Discord over his poor behavior. Then they reveal that Twilight was allowed to dispel his curses, Discord will start to protest and try to hijack the game again. At that point the GM will finally put their foot down and tell him to "Shut up and sit down in that chair NOW! This is my game, not yours!" or something to that effect. Discord is defeated, Discord in RL is ejected from the house in shame and everyone goes and plays Smash. (Where we learn that Fluttershy is a murderous Fox only Final Destination hardcore style player)
HappyEevee 13th Sep 2018, 11:31 AM edit delete reply
So... this is really just about your fantasies of punishing DiscorDM because he reminds you of RL people you hate but couldn't do anything to? I mean, this is all bog-standard "me and my friends will punish you and then go have fun together and you'll be left all alone because you were mean to us" stuff. That's not exactly Hamlet, there.
ThatGuest 13th Sep 2018, 12:30 PM edit delete reply
No I only brought up people I've encountered to use them as examples of toxic GMs that started out suspiciously just like Discord. This entire arguement has turned into someone saying, "Hmm, it's kind of cloudy, it might rain." and then the person next to them screaming "It can be cloudy without raining! You pessimist!"

And no it's not a revenge fantasy, I'm just trying to guess what the plot is going to be and going by what I think would make a more interesting story. *There's a silly misunderstanding and Discord ends up being a nice guy and everyone has a sitcom laugh and credits roll* seems really weak and boring compared to the possibility of a total party meltdown and everything crumbling before a gloating Discord has everything richocet back at him to knock him down a peg.

Also Discord being a toxic GM is really the best way to use a toxic GM storyline. Because we can't make the main one toxic and the players revolt against them without really complicating things. Discord however is free to be made into a jackass of epic proportions while still retaining the ability to have him lose and get tossed out on his butt without altering the core cast.
HappyEevee 14th Sep 2018, 11:36 AM edit delete reply
Well, more drama doesn't necessarily make something a better story and realistically, tables that have toxic meltdowns are less likely to ever regroup again, because not everyone is going to have the exact same opinion of anyone else.

Your proposed storyline depends on all six players plus the GM having essentially the same view of DiscorDM and all agreeing on the same level of punishment (having him over specifically to rip into him and kick him out). Just as people here in the comments have different views of DiscorDM, the players in-story are reacting differently to him as well. Some of the players would probably just say "don't invite him back" while others might want to yell at him, and others might think the session was fun and he should join them again some time. One or two people insisting on giving DiscorDM a big telling off in front of the whole group is likely to make those players who are more tolerant of DiscorDM become annoyed with the angry players and tell them they're overreacting, leading to even more hurt feelings.

Your storyline also depends on DiscorDM in fact being a complete asshole and responding to complaints or concerns only by getting angry, flipping tables, and trying to hurt others. Basically, DiscorDM has to be the only one at fault so that everyone else is completely justified in whatever they say/do to him. I find it hard to believe he's such a one-sided character because if he were truly such an asshole, the GM would never have had so much fun in his campaign.

Look at it this way: Fluttershy and Twilight are the new players and they're getting flustered trying to handle DiscorDM's performance. The GM was also a new player when s/he met DiscorDM; if DiscorDM were nothing but a jerk, the GM should have had a similar reaction. I think it's more likely that DiscorDM is just overplaying the part he's been brought in for (arc villain) and that a lot of the frustration is because none of the players know him personally and we've seen very little of his actual self so far.

The only time we've really seen any of DiscorDM is in his conversation with Fluttershy, when it was implied he'd had a bad relationship with someone manipulative. He and Fluttershy both got triggered by each other and reacted based on stuff in their past. We really need more info on all of them, so let's wait and see what happens.
Ross Van Loan 11th Sep 2018, 1:53 PM Peeling the meta-onion edit delete reply
There's are so many levels of meta that even Canoe Reeves doesn't know what's going down/on/over/up. Whoa!
albedoequals1 11th Sep 2018, 11:21 PM edit delete reply
The irony of AJ's metagame punishment is that it was a failure to metagame that got her in this mess. When Discord offered her knowledge at great price, the best metagaming answer would have been, "If you tell me your plan, I'll try to stop you. But if you don't tell me your plan, you're the boss of this arc, so I'll still try to stop you. Therefore, I'm going to kick you for no reason until I find out what the reason is."

Dash out-metagamed AJ by a mile this time.
ThatGuest 11th Sep 2018, 11:34 PM edit delete reply
Or using the metagame knowledge that this was a classic 'asshole genie' setup and just tell him to go to hell.
ThatGuest 12th Sep 2018, 12:20 AM edit delete reply
I just realized also that you could argue AJ was actually doing exactly what she should to correct her overly meta behavior. She very likely suspected the classic twisted genie trick from Discord but rather than use meta knowledge she decided to go along with the story and see what would happen......and got punished for it, and had her past behavior rubbed in her face.
Story Time 12th Sep 2018, 3:59 AM Metagaming Curse edit delete reply
Any story of how a curse affected someone using metagaming?
HappyEevee 12th Sep 2018, 9:48 AM edit delete reply
One time several of our characters risked a game with a Deck of Many Things. One of our players drew a card which promised him a permanent +2 boost to whichever stat was the highest of the next monster he killed. (Kill a monster whose highest stat was Dex, get a +2 Dex.) Now this particular player had a Bloodrager Barbarian, so STR was very important. We all commented OOC on how we needed to make sure he killed something with high STR next.

As it turned out, the next monster we fought was a Water Elemental and a quick check of the Monster Manual revealed its high stat was indeed STR. So several of us held back so the Barbarian could kill it for the STR boost. The Swashbuckler, the other character in the fight, decided to do non-lethal damage as the elemental was almost dead.
The GM said "Why?"
We said "Because it's a high STR monster."
The GM said "Your characters don't know that. You didn't do any in-game checks (nature, arcana) to determine that."
We said "...fair enough."
So the Swashbuckler (whose turn it currently was) having no in-character reason not to kill the elemental, unloaded with a full attack and slaughtered it.
The Barbarian ended up with a +2 to CHA after killing something else the next session.
It was our own fault for not checking on the elemental in-game.
Tempestfury 12th Sep 2018, 11:04 AM edit delete reply
New page. Same comments.

Same people with the same, un-ending hate boner for a guy who's done nothing to deserve it.
ThatGuest 12th Sep 2018, 11:20 AM edit delete reply
I mean, on top of all the hints Discord has been dropping that he seems to intend to burn this game to the ground for a laugh Fluttershy's player litterally laid out the whole plan. He gets everyone pissed off, their either blame each other for it or themselves for being stupid, go at each other and he gets to walk away blameless.

AJ blames herself for getting cursed, when it is revealed that Pinkie was the one who chose her curse everyone will get mad at her because she's been so grating, Rarity will blame herself for being greedy and the grand finale was supposed to be -everyone- blaming Dash for throwing them all under the proverbial bus.

Except that didn't happen because RD knows Discord is an asshole, treats him as an asshole and doesn't give him the opening of "Well gee golly gosh I'm sure that he's a fine fellow even though we've only known him 2 hours!~" So she never got cursed because she knows the only way he win iis if they trust him, play along and let him do whatever he wants. Like the GM.
Guest 12th Sep 2018, 12:55 PM edit delete reply
One of the major things that has me both wanting to dislike discorDM and try not to be overly judgmental over him is how we have had almost no onscreen scenes of him when he is not being discord. He gets introduced over the phone as discord, takes the role of dm solely of discord’s actions, and even when he talks to pinkie supposedly out of character, he turns around and says to the main DM that his actions there were the actions to be expected of discord. With all this considered, we have only his conversation with the main DM (15 sentences, and several of those are interjections) to judge him as a person.

On the other hand, discord, the character that discorDM has been playing, is absolutely someone to despise, as can be seen when pinkie proposes being friends and coexisting with discord, and Celestia says
“I... was clear that this isn’t the “fun” kind of chaos, right?
That discord was a torturer-king in his time?
That he thrives on the suffering, humiliation, and subjugation of natural beings?”

Add to that one of the other somewhat note worthy factors for this group, that basically all of them are playing their characters as themselves.
Twilight’s player is new to gaming, rather smart and sometimes treads on other peoples toes when she tries to do something smart, and Twilight is a smart, new to friendship and adventure wizard who doesn’t have the greatest grasp of social cues.
Applejack’s player is a savvy player with a knack for spotting the way the story is going and Applejack is a savvy farmer/adventurer who has a good head for playing the people around her.
Fluttershy’s player is meek, with occasional moments of extreme spirit, and that is exactly the character arc that Fluttershy is going through as she levels.
Rainbow dash’s player is hotheaded and doesn’t care much for siting around talking and listening to NPCs or fiddling with her character stats but thoroughly likes playing with her friends and rolling dice in combat, and rainbow dash is easily board with things that aren’t fighting or standing up for her friends.
Rarity’s play is a huge fan of intense roll playing, subterfuge and telling a great story, and rarity is a thief with a dramatic streak who slips easily into in depth roles and whose greatest dream is to marry a handsome (and rich) prince and live in wealth the rest of her days, constructing a fairytale story conclusion with herself as the main player.
Pinkie is... pinkie with all the odd quirks and off the wall funny that comes with, and so to is her player.

So without a clear picture of him as a person, and given how much the rest of the cast fit in with their characters, it seems only natural to judge DiscorDM by the character he has brought to the table to play.

Now that may be unfair, we don’t know how much of this arc was planed by our regular DM, if he already had discord made up and just wanted someone who could act like enough of a... character to do him justice, or if our DM had a vague idea and went to discorDM for help making it reality, but I hope that you can at least see where the animosity for this fellow is coming from.

All in all if this arc has taught me anything, it’s that I really want some names for these players so I never have to write “Fluttershy’s player” or any variation ever again.
ThatGuest 12th Sep 2018, 1:00 PM edit delete reply
Even if it means you learn that all this time Pinkie has actually been played by a 46 year old Trucker named Frank who sounds like Ian McDermott?
Wordy guest 12th Sep 2018, 1:04 PM edit delete reply
ChaoticBrain 12th Sep 2018, 1:10 PM edit delete reply
My headcanon is that the players are named after the characters' voice actors.

Twilight = Tara
Rainbow Dash = Ash
Applejack = Leigh
Rarity = Tabitha
Fluttershy = Andrea
Pinkie Pie = Libby
Gilda / Cheese Sandwich = Maryke
Discord = John
ThatGuest 12th Sep 2018, 1:14 PM edit delete reply
GM= Hasbro CEO Brian Golder
Cirrus 12th Sep 2018, 2:58 PM edit delete reply
Or the GM could be Lauren (Faust). It's even an unisex name.
GrayGriffin 13th Sep 2018, 12:21 AM edit delete reply
And you seem just as determined to claim that we have a "hate boner" for Discord despite the fact that I literally said I'm willing to be charitable towards him here. Seems you've got your own "hate boner" towards anyone who even dares to criticize DiscorDM.
Tempestfury 13th Sep 2018, 5:52 AM edit delete reply
@GrayGriffin: You can claim all you want that your willing to be charitable towards him. I have yet to actually see that at all.

@ThatGuest: Uuuuuuh... excuse me? He's intending to burn this game to the ground for a laugh? I'm sorry, but what on earth are you reading? I mean you say its just 'hints', but I haven't seen any hints at all!
GrayGriffin 13th Sep 2018, 6:22 AM edit delete reply
I literally said in the comments right above that Applejack's curse is a classic curse and not necessarily indicative of any hidden meaning/maliciousness, and that her player is probably overthinking things in this case. Glad to know your hate boner for me literally blinds you to my comments.
ThatGuest 13th Sep 2018, 7:39 AM edit delete reply
"Oh this curse won't be permantent of course....probably~"

The biggest hint was it started subtly at first but it's clear now that Discord has been comping at the bit to get away from the GM and be alone with the girls.

"Time for a little one on one roleplaying..." "Ahem. Two on one." "......-fine-"

Note also that only AJ really got the explaination that Discord (in theory) only controlled the maze and not the rest of the world. What happened the two times Discord managed to slip the GM and be alone with the girls? He took extreme measures. He threatened to create a whole funded organization entirely devoted to destroying Rarity and to pretty much just blow up Cloudsdale outright.

Neither Dash nor Rarity knew that he couldn't (maybe) follow through on those threats with Rarity caving to his blackmail and emotional manipulation but Dash escaping because she just doesn't give a damn about him and called his bluff. After seeing how much the GM worships Discord it's possible that Rarity will only feel confirmed in thinking that they've just let Discord do whatever the hell he wants to the story. The only person who knows he can't is AJ and what's her curse? She can't tell anyone that. *bows*
Wordy Guest 12th Sep 2018, 1:29 PM edit delete reply
So now that I have posted several very wordy comments and chosen a name, I figure I should take some time for thanks.

So I just wanted to say thank you to newbiespud for this excellent comic. I have been a silent lurker for quite a while, and this arc has had me so engaged and invested I had to give my two cents. So again thank you and I eagerly look forward to the story as it progresses. :)
NexAngelus405 13th Sep 2018, 1:08 AM edit delete reply