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20th Sep 2018, 6:00 AM in The Return of Harmony, Part 2
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Newbiespud 20th Sep 2018, 6:00 AM edit delete
I was going to write something here, perhaps about the daunting challenge of writing a justification for how gosh-darn smug Fluttershy is through this entire second part... but the seasonal bug is upon me at time of uploading and I can't think of anything. Blarg.

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FanOfMostEverything 20th Sep 2018, 6:04 AM edit delete reply
Hmm. Trying to crack magical compulsions with logic rarely ends well in my experience, but that experience comes mostly from dealing with NPCs. The "Hmm" from the usual DM does seem encouraging, or at least intriguing.

Seems as good a story prompt as any. Who else has tried to talk people out of mind control?
GrayGriffin 20th Sep 2018, 6:16 AM edit delete reply
Sadly I haven't gotten to do that in any games, although I have had that happen in some fanfics I've written in my head. Most of the time it doesn't really work.

Edit: Actually, I have seen that happen in other people's games that I spectate. Although the context is hard enough that I don't really think I can share it here. Guess I could link to the official recaps if anyone's interested enough.
Robin Bobcat 20th Sep 2018, 1:54 PM edit delete reply
In my experience, cracking them with *lack* of logic tends to work better.

I did have someone try to place a Geas of Truth upon my Changeling: The Dreaming character once. That was funny. So here's the scoop:
- First, he has an entirely flawed premise of what is going on - my character knows nothing.
- He places the Geas... except he does not have the magical power to actually make such an oath stick.
- Nor does he have the magical knowledge to craft his inordinately-convoluted custom geas.
- Said geas is inordinately-convoluted enough to have many, MANY loopholes.
- He thinks the complexity of it would make it unbreakable.
- He is of House LIAM, also known as the Oathbroken House. NO oath sworn to them has any magical binding whatsoever... and he has worded the geas as an oath.
- Further, I am playing a Pooka. There is NO magic in the entire World of Dreaming setting that can compel a Pooka to tell the truth.
- He has Truth Sense, and relies on it, not knowing that it only picks up actual lies, and there are many, many statements that can be made that are neither truthful nor lies, and rhetorical questions are awesome.
- I am a goddamn silver-tongued devil.

The result was a hour long interrogation, during which I fed him the biggest pile of manure ever, one steaming spoonful at a time, with him believing every single word as if it were the unvarnished truth. I had him fully convinced of a vast, elaborate conspiracy, led by a Troll bricklayer from Carson City... oh god it was amazing.
Kereea 20th Sep 2018, 2:28 PM edit delete reply
I actually like it. A gritty action character realizing they're less effective because their methods are less likely to work than if they were being more lighthearted. A rare thing, but she's not wrong.
Discord 20th Sep 2018, 6:18 AM edit delete reply
I would say something like "Now that's not fair."
But I would be hypocritical.
Something that true chaos never is, is a hypocrite.
Greenhornet 20th Sep 2018, 9:32 AM edit delete reply
Forcing Pinkie to face reality...
Let me get my popcorn.
The Old One 20th Sep 2018, 10:57 AM edit delete reply
Tread lightly, Discky. You've cut the heavy-duty brakes on a literal force of nature, one even you might not be able to contain.

Bittershy is to be feared, for she may become the even greater villain. One who could destroy everything.....
HappyEevee 20th Sep 2018, 9:16 PM edit delete reply
Of all the ponies, I think I enjoy reverse Fluttershy episodes the most, whether it's here or when she's getting assertive or playing personas or the changeling version of her. Reverse Fluttershy is always drawn / voiced with such a cheerfully sadistic streak, it makes you wonder what sort of villain the Ponyworld dodged when Fluttershy was chosen by the Element of Kindness.
Guest 20th Sep 2018, 6:33 AM edit delete reply
Poke at the facade? Is she trying to make Pinkie an actual action girl, instead of someone pretending to be one?

That seems like the opposite of fighting the curse. Clearly I missed something.
Georgie_Leech 20th Sep 2018, 7:23 AM edit delete reply
The curse is to prevent her from using her actual Powers and whatnot against Discord.
GrayGriffin 20th Sep 2018, 7:28 AM edit delete reply
She literally says she wants Pinkie to use her actual abilities. Which are comedically flavored.
Digo Dragon 20th Sep 2018, 8:24 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
I like how natural Spud has been able to insert Rainbow Dash into these scenes.
ZhonLord 20th Sep 2018, 7:36 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, there's been a lot of progress over the years, culminating in the big Illusive fight. And now, in the aftermath, it's so natural it's awesome!
Evilbob 20th Sep 2018, 3:25 PM edit delete reply
Friendly PSA since our beloved webcomic author has caught the bug...

Get your annual flu vaccine, folks. It's about that time of year again.

It should be free or ridiculously low cost. (I assume I don't need to explain why getting a vaccine is a good idea? Am happy to explain if there's any doubts or concerns)
Freelance 20th Sep 2018, 7:29 PM edit delete reply
Gritty PSA because somebody needs to say it so:

1918 Flu Pandemic
Zeeth 21st Sep 2018, 4:55 PM edit delete reply
Well, just to note, flu vaccine are tyipcally incubated in eggs. So if you're allergic to eggs it's not always the best idea to get a flu vaccine.
Capn_Boxers 22nd Sep 2018, 4:10 AM edit delete reply
Just let the Doctor/Pharmacist know that you're allergic to eggs. They make a small selection of vaccines without using eggs for people with that allergy.
HappyEevee 20th Sep 2018, 9:11 PM edit delete reply
I look forward to seeing DiscorDM and Fluttershy's player talk about things someday when they've recovered from this arc. I think they're both partially right about each other's faults, although neither of them is as malicious as the people in their respective pasts. I think this could lead to some understanding / self-awareness / healing for both of them in the long run.
Mystic seer 22nd Sep 2018, 6:15 PM edit delete reply
Bonus points if it is done with keep calm and flutter on screan caps.
Archone 21st Sep 2018, 2:42 AM edit delete reply
Notice the expression on Fluttershy in the second, third, and fourth panels. She's ENJOYING this.

It's like Halloween, or cosplay. Discord GM has all but commanded her to stop holding back, to stop biting her tongue... to start saying what she really thinks. I imagine Fluttershy's player is finding it very liberating.
GrayGriffin 21st Sep 2018, 3:20 AM edit delete reply
Eh. I'm assuming none of us are thinking Pinkie's player is actually angry. I don't see why we have to make an exception for Fluttershy's player being happy just because the screenshots used have happy Fluttershy. Yes, Spud has added RD, but wholly inserting a new character is easier than removing and replacing one.
Rakaydos 21st Sep 2018, 7:26 AM edit delete reply
Except Flutter has permission, from both DMs, to keep it at whatever level she's comfortable at.

If she's grabbing the limelight as bittershy, she wasn't forced to do that, she's taking advantage of the opportunity to be more assertive than she would dare to be outside the game.
Roll of Resistance? 21st Sep 2018, 11:25 AM edit delete reply
So... Maybe is a newbie question but... Does this give the chance of roll to resist the curse?
Vegetalss4 21st Sep 2018, 3:26 PM edit delete reply
Normally that would depend on the curse.
However given that this curse was entirely GM fiat with absolutely no mechanical involvement of the characters abilities, almost certainly not.
HappyEevee 21st Sep 2018, 8:00 PM edit delete reply
It might be a case where technically there could be a roll, but since Discord is basically demigod level, there's no way the ponies could actually roll high enough to pass it. But since the curse is the plot reason they have to defeat Discord, it's understandable why they wouldn't give them a roll.

It's like the GM saying "as you enter town, the city guard arrests your characters and throws them in the town jail." Technically there should be a combat, or diplomacy checks, or stealth checks to run away, but GM fiat moves the plot along and stops all the player squabbling over "but my character would have..." Now you're all in jail, without your weapons or gear, and your challenge is to escape by any means necessary! Oh, and you should probably do it before your hearing tomorrow morning at 10. It seems your characters have been framed for a series of robberies and the judge is in on the conspiracy. What will you do, players?
Mr_Some1 21st Sep 2018, 2:59 PM edit delete reply
Dang, I finally got caught up on this, but now I'm kinda sad I have to wait for more! Oh well, excited to see where you go with discord, and if you reformation him right away at the end of this session or wait a while.
Azureink 23rd Sep 2018, 2:54 PM edit delete reply
Zordon: "To much PINK energy is dangerous."