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Newbiespud 16th Oct 2018, 6:00 AM edit delete
* You attempt to push your note into the suggestion box. ...It won't go through the slot.

* ...?!

* A folded piece of paper is coming out of the box on its own!

* You open it up. It reads: "Hey, maybe write that novel you've been thinking of. A god gets bored sometimes. Don't worry, I'll shuffle all the pages when you're done. -D"

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Greenhornet 16th Oct 2018, 6:19 AM edit delete reply
The Discord-DM is clicking the lights off and on in the game room, right?
Just checking.
GrayGriffin 16th Oct 2018, 8:09 AM edit delete reply
Yes. If somehow the last comic didn't make it clear enough. The regular DM's confusion about the light switch being used should be absolutely explicit on this page.
Greenhornet 16th Oct 2018, 4:36 PM edit delete reply
Maybe I'm just a slow study.
Discord 16th Oct 2018, 6:39 AM edit delete reply
I've been looking for something recently.
An armoury of comical weapons.
WMC's if you will.
I already have:
Banana peel gun
Giant fish
Cotton cloud machine

Empty, I know.
Care to help fill it up.
Guest 16th Oct 2018, 6:43 AM edit delete reply
You're missing the bullet gun. It's a bullet that fires guns at your target when you punch the back. It has a crossbow model for more medieval theming.
Discord 16th Oct 2018, 9:55 AM edit delete reply
Adding cross arrow.
Bullet no.
These ponies are not ready for that.
Wordy Guest 16th Oct 2018, 6:44 AM edit delete reply
Remote controlled Lemmon Meringue Pie.
Sneezing powder bombs.
Bag of marbles.
Discord 16th Oct 2018, 10:01 AM edit delete reply
I think I'll upgrade that pie to a spring pie within a pie.
Freelance 16th Oct 2018, 11:13 AM edit delete reply
"I baked you a pie!"
"Oh boy! What flavor?"

Speaking of Tom Ska, I now wanna see a comic of Desomnd the Moon Bear meeting Luna.
Wordy Guest 16th Oct 2018, 2:56 PM edit delete reply
If you’re avoiding lawsuits I feel I should warn you that the remote controled Lemmon Meringue Pie was taken from the “Muppet*Vision 3D” attraction at Disney World.
Masterweaver 16th Oct 2018, 8:06 AM edit delete reply
The Cookie Rifle (a rifle that shoots cookies and is decorated in peppermint swirls)
The Ice Cream Mecha (Mid-mecha with a variety of ice cream projectiles)
Acid pie
The Gem of Bedazzling Legos
Basically half the weapons from the Bionicle franchise
And a third from the Splatoon franchise
I mean seriously, ridiculous weapons aren't hard to come by, Discord...
Discord 16th Oct 2018, 9:59 AM edit delete reply
I want to avoid lawsuits.
So I can't take any from their franchise.
Wordy Guest 16th Oct 2018, 2:58 PM edit delete reply
Also Masterweaver I am willing to throw down with you over the silliness of any bionicle weapon you care to name, any time any place. Come at me bro.
Toric 16th Oct 2018, 8:10 AM edit delete reply
The nun-yo (yo-yo nunchucks)
A singing dagger that inspires competence in stealth
The Golden unicorn scepter, modeled after someone who would be annoyed by it
A rubber chicken golem
Exploding pineapples
And a room with a moose
Anvildude 16th Oct 2018, 8:25 AM edit delete reply
There's an important question here:

Are these comedic weapons that are still effective as weapons? Or are these weapons which are comedically ineffective?
Discord 16th Oct 2018, 9:57 AM edit delete reply
Half half
Silly looking that does its job
Regular looking that does something silly.
Winged Cat 16th Oct 2018, 10:24 AM edit delete reply
Winged Cat
You know the ponies already have a vast array of baked weapons, right? Borrow from what already exists.

Concussive coconuts
Paralyzing pies (people tend to stop when hit in the face with a pie anyway, so take it up a notch)
Confetti spaghetti (the small bits of pasta can be easier to clean up than small bits of paper - just skip the sauce)
Mousse moose golems
And calzones make handy shells to throw all manner of gasses and liquids (such as love potions)
Freelance 16th Oct 2018, 11:18 AM edit delete reply
My mind is usually wackier, but the only think of right now is a rubber hose. That is, a hose that sprays liquid rubber.
Freelance 16th Oct 2018, 11:27 AM edit delete reply
And of course, just as soon as I finish the post I think of a second: a piano tosser--essentially a catapult designed for pianos. Naturally it could toss other thing of comedic value: flower pots, bowling balls, anvils, giant wooden rabbits large enough that people *could* hide in but actually don't have anybody in there....
Gamer Geek 16th Oct 2018, 2:00 PM edit delete reply
If comical weapons are your thing, check out the old R & D Catalog for second edition Paranoia. It has such classics as the Assault Shaker and Papercut Chainsaw.
aylatrigger 16th Oct 2018, 4:04 PM edit delete reply
I made a ton of these for a comic I mostly have been procrastinating on. ...Basically it is Oriental Adventures with joke weapons and unbalanced characters (both stats and mentally).

The ones I remember:
Katana shoes (the classic...Double katana shoes for the even more impractical)
A Zanbato called 'Mixed Blessing' that deals damage only to non-organic things if you wield it in your off-hand, and only damage to organic things if you wield it in your weapon hand...but the wielder only thinks it works in their off-hand. If you wield it one-handed it feels really light to the user. Two-handed it is the normal weight.
Nun-chucks with instead of sticks on the ends, they have a random weapon. Including themselves. So they can get this long fractal change infinitely. They are cursed so you have to finish the battle with whatever form they are in when you unsheathe them. ...Oh, and all weapons must be kept in katana sheathes outside of battle. It's the law. ...Though the main character breaks that law even though she uses katana...
A penny-farthing. Made by the greatest sword-smith in the world. ...Also kept in a katana sheathe outside battle.
The bases and surrounding areas of Annapolis, West Point, and Colorado Springs. Wielded as bludgeoning weapons. ...The character is really strong and has lots of oversized weapon stuff.
A tuba that fires missiles and random junk.
Pistols wielded as circular saws, propellers, brass knuckles, boomerangs, and normal pistols. Depending on the personality of the character at the time.
Katana sheathes. Of course kept in katana sheathes outside of battle. Actually an infinite number of sheathes magically kept in sheathes, with the outer layer always discarded before battle.
Science used like magic
Magic used like science
Riffle with a bayonet...using the blunt end and not shooting.
Tangible words...of your opponents.
Paper ribbons. Because paper cuts in this world cause exponentially increasing blood loss. And drowning people in their own blood.
Cartoon Quarterstaff' – A quarterstaff that also works like a pole or tree characters hide behind in a newspaper comic.
A pistol that the gunsmith got the order wrong. Instead of shooting bullets the size of a pinky's width and leaving holes the size of a person, they got it the other way around.
aylatrigger 16th Oct 2018, 4:27 PM edit delete reply
Oh, and a sword (probably zambato or other large sword) that gives you +5 to wielding cod. It has a rather dull blade itself, so isn't that good a weapon, just good for making cod better weapon for you.
Greenhornet 16th Oct 2018, 4:46 PM edit delete reply
"Boo-zooka". A large pipe with handles.
When placed on your shoulder and fired, it makes rude noises and comments that make your target feel bad.
"Knife and Fork of Eating". Can only be used effectively by cannibals.
"Pepper Spray Mill". Although it looks like the implement used to grind pepper corns, when one end is twisted, it will launch a shower of freshly ground pepper to an area five by two paces before the user.
ZhonLord 16th Oct 2018, 5:28 PM edit delete reply
If you're going to truly have a chaotic, comedic arsenal you need something mundane just to throw people for a loop after all the other items they run into.

The Stick of Nothingness. It's just a stick. It does nothing. No gravity reversals, no spontaneous chicken-izing of your allies, nothing at all. It's. A stick.
aylatrigger 17th Oct 2018, 8:42 AM edit delete reply
That reminds me of the dread Gazebo.
...Or the Head of Vecna.
Needling Haystacks 17th Oct 2018, 11:00 AM edit delete reply
Ah the Head of Vecna. Truly a formidable weapon.

Swiss army pie. Pie containing various tools which may or may not be useful in any given situation. The tools are also made of pie.

Pi Pie. Not really useful for anything, just 3.14159.... pies. Getting the fractional pie right is technically impossible, so I suppose it is good for confusing someone like Twilight Sparkle.
Robin Bobcat 17th Oct 2018, 8:02 PM edit delete reply
I had a Pooka Gunsmith in a Changeling game. The Nockers *hated* me because I was clearly talented, but used my enormous skill for such frivoloties as:
a derringer in the shape of a nose, that fired peppercorns (with a small chance for disease).
A long gun that fired hypervelocity bandages - a gauze rifle. (could heal or harm the target, depending).
A fuzzy gray pistol, made from a dead kitten (long story short, I won the bet). It works normally, purrs when stroked.
And his personal sidearm, a lump of twisty driftwood with some sea glass and bits of wire... that *somehow* had the stats of a Heavy Pistol... except it shot bolts of sunlight. Completely silent, but really freaking bright.
HappyEevee 19th Oct 2018, 10:31 AM edit delete reply
You are a genius. This is pure gold.
Robin Bobcat 17th Oct 2018, 8:06 PM edit delete reply
In a *different* Changeling game, I had a Nocker, who had built a wonderful automatic fish-scaling and filleting machine. Put fish in, turn the crank, out plops delicious fish while the bones and scales and whatnot come out the side. Would revolutionize the fishing industry!
Except, like all Nockers, his inventions turn out flawed...
Put a fish in, turn the crank, and a flesh-shredding burst of high-velocity fish bones comes out the front, a mangled mess of fish bits drops out the side, and the entire area has an overpowering smell of fish (instead of the negative trait 'loud' most guns have, it had 'fishy').
Very useful in combat, but a distinct blow to his dignity.
Wordy Guest 16th Oct 2018, 6:40 AM edit delete reply
Okay I know we have done the argument about DiscorDM all the way around, and gotten a pretty firm idea of were everyone stands on him. But this is a gripe with scenario as a whole that Larry has made. Why should these characters think this is winnable? The villain has won, has the only weapon that can stop him, is able to magically move said item at will without restriction, can manipulate the minds and bodies of everyone in the world, also at will, with little to no restriction, and has no reason to want to lose. What reason is there to have hope for victory besides OOC “our DM isn't that much of a [expletive deleted], right?” because at this point if I was playing, between the unwinnable situation, the annoying maze and the surprise guest DM and gameplay change, I would be at “very done, with mild chance of recovery with a very good explanation of what all this is supposed to be", and I think twilight is getting there as well. Though to be fair she seems to have much more patience than I do.

Am I being unreasonable here? I have very little personal experience in these matters (lack of time and people to play with), so maybe I missed something. Am I looking at this wrong? Does anyone else here have experience I lack that would paint this scenario in a different light, or show my reasoning flawed? I don' mean to be insincere here, I just really hope I'm wrong with this. Because if that is the scenario the players are supposed to be in, than this game session is pretty firmly in “Flawed execution of a slightly garbage premise” and I was hoping for more from Larry.
Tempestfury 16th Oct 2018, 7:04 AM edit delete reply
A game's no fun if there's no chance to lose. And that's what this is to Discord, in character... a game.
Wordy Guest 16th Oct 2018, 7:22 AM edit delete reply
I have two thought on that. One, I know that I have had a lot of fun with games without real lose states, or at least not lose states that cannot be immediately recovered from. If the character was willing to be genuinely creative I'm sure he could come up with a fun game to play that posed no real risk to himself.
And two, you don't gamble with anything you are not willing to lose. All games with a chance to lose are gambles, and that is the first rule of gambling Having fun playing with the defenders of the realm is all well and good, but is it really worth sealing in stone for at least one lifetime for?

I'm willing to accept that answer, but if I were playing, I would be disappointed that the only reason I could win was that the villain was dumb at picking his bets.
Zontan 16th Oct 2018, 9:01 AM edit delete reply
Re: games with no loss states - you play those games for the story or the experience. They’re not competitive games. Discord is playing a competitive game with the Mane 6, and those games are no fun at all if only one side can win. It’s amusing to me to crush my less experienced friends at Starcraft, but I get bored of it once I run out of ways to kill them I haven’t already used, and even faster if they stop being good sports about it. Discord is the same way - he’ll get bored of just stomping them and the only way to make it interesting again is to give them a way to win.

Also, being a god, he likely doesn’t think about stakes the way we do, which is why lesser stakes wouldn’t be interesting either.
terrycloth 16th Oct 2018, 10:39 AM edit delete reply
I think you're projecting your personal preferences onto people as a whole. Even competitive games, I prefer the difficulty set where I have to make an effort but will almost never actually lose.

You know, like PVP games vs. bots. It's no fun playing against other people where there's a chance they might win.
Digo Dragon 16th Oct 2018, 7:27 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
A game is no fun with no perceptible chance to win or even allow the players time to address the challenges. Discord and the GM are basically just spit-firing random happenings to the players without giving them any chance to avoid or overcome the dangers.

Twilight makes a good point. Is anything discord is blabbering about relevant or important? Well no, it's just a bunch of flavor text that keeps distracting from her attempts to work out a solution. Twi is aware Discord has taken over Ponyville and made a mess o it. Twilight just wants a few minutes to discuss how to fight back and fix things, but Discord won't shut up and give her a moment to say or do anything.
Digo Dragon 16th Oct 2018, 7:21 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
I believe you are quite reasonable.

This actually happened once in an early campaign I ran. It was based off the GURPS book "Warehouse 23", where the PCs stumbled upon a forgotten military facility full of dangerous and weird objects. If you've seen the show Warehouse 13, then you will have an idea of how things work. Anyway, so the PCs had been camping in the warehouse studying the objects and learning about a government conspiracy to use alien tech for a new surveillance program on American citizens. The PCs had acquired a few helpful NPCs at this point, including a talking cat, an alien mechanic, and a dryad child who can talk to plants.

A friend wanted to join the group, so I had him sit in on a session and converse to see how he'd get along with my players. He wanted to make a character too, but he didn't want to learn the system we were using. I told him he can make a minor NPC then, and we can work out abilities/skills as we go. Well, he started making up powers as we went, going for this super-intelligent T-1000 kind of character, and ended up kidnapping the talking cat to go on a prank spree in downtown New York City. This annoyed me and the other players as anything they attempted to do to leash the newbie was thwarted due to this character having essentially make-believe stats that were "magic" based, while everyone else had rules to follow.

By the end the of session I smacked down the newbie using the talking cat's one "super power" that the newbie wasn't aware of: the cat was actually a cursed dragon who can return to his form only once every few days. The other PCs were aware of it and thought the newbie was too. Well, he wasn't. Also, the players were aware of what I was about to do...

Dragon fire is magical based.

So the newbie's character gets destroyed and the players go back to doing what they were doing earlier. The newbie, now humbled because of what I did, decided to take a copy of the book home and learn the rules. He came back in two weeks with a legit character and joined the group again. This time, he was much better received because he had a character with abilities and skills that put him on an even playing field with the other players.

Morale of the story--don't let guests come in with un-statted godmodding characters because it'll frustrate everyone.
One-Eyed Wanderer 16th Oct 2018, 2:49 PM edit delete reply
I think a decision like this should’ve been brought before the group rather than sprung on them. Surprises are great, but like any other group collaboration agreement is important.

Twilight’s player isn’t having any fun now, because she’s got nothing to DO. It isn’t jut that her usual problem-solving has been disrupted, Discord hasn’t given her any spotlight. She’d be having more fun if he’d approached her in the maze but as it is she’s just locked out.

Discord may be good at playing the antagonist, but I feel like he should really be a character, not a co-GM, because he isn’t good at listening to the players.
Mystic seer 16th Oct 2018, 8:03 AM edit delete reply
Who's Larry?
Wordy Guest 16th Oct 2018, 8:07 AM edit delete reply
I named the main DM Larry because I was annoyed at having to refer to them as "The Main DM". It is not their real name, but I'm sticking with it.
Mystic seer 16th Oct 2018, 8:09 AM edit delete reply
I'd go with Lauren myself.
Wordy Guest 16th Oct 2018, 8:16 AM edit delete reply
that would make sense, but I'm a bit annoyed with them over how they're running this part of the campaign, so I'm calling them Larry.
GrayGriffin 16th Oct 2018, 8:38 AM edit delete reply
Generally, this is the point where the PCs should receive some guidance from a helpful NPC, or be allowed to make some roll to figure out the villain's weakness. Basically they need to be shown that yes, they still have a fighting chance.

Of course, I expect the DiscorDM stans to completely ignore this and continue insisting that this is fine and he's clearly a good DM.
OrangeOstrich 16th Oct 2018, 1:34 PM edit delete reply
Generally, this is the point where I assume my way of playing is the only right one and anything deviating from that is the result of intentional malice and emotional abuse from one specific player.

Of course, anyone who disagrees with my extremes and try to see more nuance and complexity in people I will refer to by insulting internet slang as a way to reinforce the superiority of my stance.
GrayGriffin 16th Oct 2018, 6:09 PM edit delete reply
Dude I've been giving DiscorDM chances. I've even pointed out that some of his curses are actually classics and fairly logical from an IC standpoint. The problem here is that he's literally ignoring multiple players' frustration to continue shilling how wackyrandom his character is instead of giving them actual relevant information to continue with.
Dakkath 16th Oct 2018, 9:06 AM edit delete reply
At this point I'd be venting my frustration as well.
Archone 16th Oct 2018, 12:12 PM edit delete reply
"Why should the players think this is winnable?"

Because this is an adventure that the GMs have worked together to create for their players. It's supposed to be a challenge. It's supposed to be something that requires them to make an effort in order to beat - and it is something they are supposed to be able to beat.

When I was GMing, I had two difficult tasks, compounded by my biggest flaw as a GM. Task 1: create an effective challenge - not always easy when you have players who are good at working with the rules to create very powerful and effective characters who can steamroll "normal" challenges intended for their levels. Task 2: make it clear that I'm not their ally, I'm the restaurant server providing a feast of NPCs, enemies, traps, etc, for them to overcome, along with rewards.

The big flaw I have is that I'm too nice, I'm not good at making players suffer the consequences of their own choices. And if the players aren't well behaved on their own... problems happen. It'd be like Fluttershy's player GMing, you can see how that would turn out.

Main GM brought in Discord GM for a special adventure. This is one of the first adventures they've had where the Mane 6 didn't end it quickly in one fashion or another in short order. It's a genuine challenge... but they're on their way to recover the Elements, they're building towards the big showdown, and this is all based on the two-part episode that ends with Discord getting turned back into stone (until he's thawed out to become friends with Fluttershy - which has implications for what happens between the players in the future). So... let's wait and see what happens.
Enigmatic Jack 16th Oct 2018, 12:52 PM edit delete reply
But there's really no reason for the players to assume that this is the case. DiscorDM doesn't seem to be consulting Larry at all, and Larry has been taken by surprise on multiple occasions by DiscorDM's actions. They have someone they don't know who came in with powers they create on a whim, who has seemed to take joy in one-upping the players, and who with any semblance of progress they've made just seems to go "Oh, that's fine, but things are actually like this now."

They've already had one experience of an outside "seasoned" gamer having vastly different opinions on what constitutes fun and thinking that the game should be a competition instead of a cooperative effort. There's been little if anything in their experience so far to suggest that DiscorDM isn't one of those DMs who feels that the DM's role is to simply be an antagonist to the PCs. That, combined with Larry's apparent lack of knowledge as to what's actually going on in the game, doesn't do much to suggest to the group that there actually is a way to win.
Mystic seer 16th Oct 2018, 2:13 PM edit delete reply
True. But on the other hand the players trust Larry/Lauren thanks to their good track record as Gm and thus are going along with John on the premise that Larry/Lauren believes he is a great GM and will give the players a chance to win. The players are clearly still skeptical though and will put their collective feet down if John does something that clearly crosses the line.
ThatGuest 16th Oct 2018, 1:36 PM edit delete reply
This is kinda what I meant earlier when I referred to the "Team Rocket Syndrome". Discord's 'lul r4nd0mn3ss!!1!' has become anything but. The stupid pointless randomness has actually become predictable and seems to only serve the purpose of letting Discord amuse himself and hear himself talk. For the people saying that Discord will eventually be defeated, remember the players don't know what we do. For all they know, when they find the elements Discord will just pull out another change that negates everything like a child arguing about whether or not they got hit in an imaginary shootout. "Nuh uh! You didn't hit me!" "Yes I did!" "NUH UH!"

And to be perfectly honest I felt this way when watching the actual episodes in RL. The whole jokes of the others being altered were run into the ground so hard I just wanted everyone outside of Twilight to shut up for the rest of the episode. A red flag is that Twilight is starting to check out of the game, she doesn't give a crap about everyone else in the party indulging their cheap schticks, she doesn't care about the randomness anymore or anything Discord is saying. She seems like she just wants to end the game and be done with this stupid thing. I've been there Twi, I've been there.
One-Eyed Wanderer 16th Oct 2018, 2:51 PM edit delete reply
It’s not a great situation, I agree. As I may have said (or failed because of technology), Discord shouldn’t be co-GMing here, he should be playing an insanely powerful, but statted character. Everybody would be happier.
Enigmatic Jack 16th Oct 2018, 5:48 PM edit delete reply
I've been there too. My last gaming group actually dissolved because it reached the point that neither I nor my wife wanted to put up with one of the members (either as a player or as a DM) anymore. She checked out, and I started to, and then we realized there was no point having the games if we weren't enjoying them.
GrayGriffin 16th Oct 2018, 6:11 PM edit delete reply
Same. One of my DMs had multiple of my magic items I crafted specifically for the end-of-campaign boss fight be completely useless in that boss fight. And when I pointed it out simply said that he "wasn't designing the game for us."
Archone 17th Oct 2018, 12:47 AM edit delete reply
I think the main reason Discord's jokes are getting old is because of the format. It takes a while between pages, we've been following this storyline for months... so we've been watching and waiting and watching...

But if you look at what he's saying to Twilight here, he's actively encouraging her to hate him - as a character, specifically. He's playing the role of the current BBEG. He's giving them further motivation to take him down, so the payoff will be all the more satisfying.

Remember, the alternative is that he continuously stops them from defeating him, thereby ruining their fun... and this guy is supposed to be an arrogant but brilliant GM. And if you go through the timeline, you'll realize... this has actually been a relatively short adventure. They went to the palace, they watched Discord show up and steal their Elements, they went into a maze... now they're going to recover their stolen Elements. Compare that to the time spent dealing with the head of the thieves guild and Rarity being blackmarked. Or how long they all spent obtaining tickets to the gala.
obscurereader 17th Oct 2018, 11:15 AM edit delete reply
Problem with that: as WordyGuest has explained earlier, there's not really much of a reason for the players to think there's going to be a payoff in the first place, given how powerful Discord is shown to be. Any payoff requires Discord be stupid or secretly want the players to win for some reason (which doesn't make ic sense for a malicious God of Chaos), which at least to me and a few others in this comment chain kinda takes the wind out of any payoffs they could really give.

And, well... Discord kind of has already been stopping them from beating him through the power of magic curses, neutering their group cohesiveness and (assuming our OoC knowledge stays accurate) prevents them from using the elements in the first place, in addition to making sure they couldn't get the elements until they were cursed. The actual length of this adventure/timeline isn't really all that relevant - he's managed to stick in a lot of annoying shenanigans that are designed to screw with the players in that time period (and having this take longer would be even worse). At this point, it's not hard for some people such as myself to make the mental leap that his IC rp can be read as DM gloating over their super-strong character (who's only really strong cause the dm says so - not fun to play against imo), which gets really grating to read after a while.
Archone 17th Oct 2018, 8:32 PM edit delete reply
I'm not saying that he isn't playing a literal god character (which, let's be honest, most game settings have in some form or another - the actual deities in D&D, the dragons in Shadowrun, the elder vampires in VtM, etc). But we know that he DOES want the players to win. More precisely, we know that Discord GM, the GM who created the antagonist, wants the players to win. The GM isn't supposed to be trying to "beat" the players, the GM is supposed to be providing the players with a challenge they can take pride in overcoming.

And meanwhile we're seeing that, with the exception of the minmaxed powergamer who is really good at steamrolling some of the previous attempts to challenge the party, the other players have been enjoying themselves quite a bit. Which is the point. It's a GAME. We're not reading a comic about heroic ponies fighting a god of chaos. We're reading a comic about people playing a game where heroic ponies fight a god of chaos. And the players include hardcore roleplayers who are hamming it up, a wallflower is feeling empowered (and is getting some nasty ideas about gazelle-legged rabbits), and a hack-and-slasher who is genuinely enjoying watching it all. So, as I said before... let's wait and see what happens...

(Frankly, I was more annoyed with Gilda's player... and even then, she wasn't a bad person, they just had a few misunderstandings that got cleared up)
Guest 18th Oct 2018, 2:00 AM edit delete reply
We don't know DiscordDM wants the PCs to win.

Maybe they do, maybe they don't. Maybe they're like MainDM in the first scenario and want the PCs to win on the DM's terms only.
ThatGuest 17th Oct 2018, 2:20 PM edit delete reply
Plus you generally want your players to have little contact with the main villain because eventually they're going to get sick of seeing them or they're going to constantly be trying to kill them and be frustrated when they just magically get away because you need them for the finale. If I was Twi, at this rate I'd be launching spells at Discord just to try to harm him some or at least make him go away and shut up.
Kyu 16th Oct 2018, 9:55 AM edit delete reply
DiscordDM really is the perfect foil to Twilight’s player’s metagaming.
Winged Cat 16th Oct 2018, 10:30 AM edit delete reply
Winged Cat
Is that just a hint of TwiPie shipping in panel 7?
ThatGuest 16th Oct 2018, 1:41 PM edit delete reply
I think it was more of a, "Oh thank god, she's actually acting nor-no wait she's still doing the worn out no fun allowed crap that got old an hour ago."
Tempestfury 16th Oct 2018, 4:07 PM edit delete reply
... Yeah okay, I do admit that these recent stretch of stuff has been somewhat... confusing, about the reason behind it. Unless the DiscordDM feels its important to establish the character?

I mean, people forget that Discord isn't the DiscordDM's creation. Its Celestia'sDM's idea entirely. They invited DiscordDM over because they didn't think they could do them justice.
Tempestfury 16th Oct 2018, 4:08 PM edit delete reply
Also reading old comments.

LoL over the fact that the Justice Leauge cartoon is better than any Marvel films released.
albedoequals1 16th Oct 2018, 5:05 PM edit delete reply
The Justice League cartoon (assuming you mean the tv show) is also better than any of the DC movies. Superheroes just adapt really poorly to "live" action.
Tempestfury 16th Oct 2018, 4:11 PM edit delete reply
And does anyone know when we lost Raxon? I miss Raxon. D:
Discord 16th Oct 2018, 5:52 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, where did old Deadpool go to?
Malroth 16th Oct 2018, 9:04 PM edit delete reply
Apparently he spent a year in the hospital and is just now getting back into the internet, at least if the rumor mill is to be believed.
Wordy Guest 17th Oct 2018, 2:30 AM edit delete reply
Really? I’ve seen him pretty regularly on one piece: grand line 3 point 5. Don’t know why he isn’t here though.
GrayGriffin 16th Oct 2018, 6:14 PM edit delete reply
On the third panel, Twilight's cutie mark apparently got affected by the soap as well and slipped down onto her knee.
HappyEevee 16th Oct 2018, 8:45 PM edit delete reply
Now I really want to see them interacting with Discord's suggestion boxes. Do cards from the Deck of Many Things come out?
manicMagician 17th Oct 2018, 4:47 AM edit delete reply
Discord is reminding me a lot of a really bad GM I have right now. He's even a guest GM too. Our usual GM lets the players run "filler arcs now and then and it's this guy's turn.
He made his villain some smug, God character that is just toying with us and railroading us through a succession of things after capturing us. Any attempts to escape just don't work. And because our campaigns are kind of dark and rp heavy, some of our npc allies were tortured too without us being able to stop it.
So I really relate to Twilight right now. Your guest GM playing Discord isn't 'as' bad, but he's hitting some of the same notes for me and bringing up bad memories. Got so bad during the session this past weekend that I just left halfway through.
The Doctor 17th Oct 2018, 9:47 PM edit delete reply
I’ve seen a lot of this Universe. I’ve seen fake gods and bad gods and demigods and would-be gods. And out of all that, out of that whole pantheon, if I believe in one thing—just one thing—I believe in her!

go on Miss Sparkle, beat this would be god. Allons-y!
Aeshdan 19th Oct 2018, 9:21 AM edit delete reply
You know, something just occurred to me. Do we know whether DDM *knows* that Lauren didn't discuss this with her players? As far as I recall, we know that Lauren told DDM that she wanted to bring him in as a guest GM to run Discord, but I don't think it's ever explicitly stated that she told him this was planned as a surprise for the players.

So it's possible that DDM thinks Lauren discussed this with her players ahead of time and got their buy-in, or at least their acceptance. And if that's the case, then his behavior suddenly looks a lot less dickish.
HappyEevee 19th Oct 2018, 10:36 AM edit delete reply
Hmm, I don't remember it being stated that DiscorDM knows it wasn't discussed. He clearly knew the GM was planning to surprise the players with his arrival and the GM didn't tell them much about him personally, but I don't think it's been said in-comic that DiscorDM knows they were kept completely in the dark about this.
BlackWidower 22nd Oct 2019, 3:16 PM edit delete reply
I can only imagine this ending with one of the players, so annoyed with this 'game' after it felt like the new guy sucked all the fun out of it, that they would just leave... maybe tear up their character sheet on the way out.