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Newbiespud 20th Oct 2018, 6:00 AM edit delete
Finally! At last, I am free! This file was an absolute nightmare to edit due to technical issues, but the final episode of our Dusk City Outlaws campaign is finished and live! I don't even care if you listen to it – it's out there, it's done!
Tales of New Dunhaven Session 20 - The Leverage Job, Part 4 (Season Finale): Podcast Video

Notice: Guest comic submissions are open! Guidelines here. Deadline: January 27th, 2023.



ThatGuest 20th Oct 2018, 6:04 AM edit delete reply
I gotta agree with RD here. AJ you would be whining and moaning if she'd thrown the rest of you under the bus if she had picked the other choice. This is about the point where I'd just respond with a heavy "Oh shuuuuut up!"
EspyLacopa 20th Oct 2018, 7:36 AM edit delete reply
The best part? This version of Rainbow Dash throwing Cloudsdale under the bus to save the party is completely in character for her. She is Chaotic Evil, after all.
Mystic Seer 20th Oct 2018, 8:25 AM edit delete reply
It make sense out of character too. Ash (Dash's player) has always cared less of about the setting then the other players. To Ash, Cloudsdale is just meaningless background text. What matters is the flesh and blood friends sitting beside her. Ironically, Dash's choice may be what tears the party apart.
Luminous Lead 20th Oct 2018, 10:51 AM edit delete reply
Wait, the players have names? Where was this again?
Composer99 21st Oct 2018, 7:30 AM edit delete reply
To the best of my recollection, the players have never been given names in the comic itself. (No, I'm not going to go back through over 1100 pages to find out for certain.)

Any names given to the players are the work of the commenters.
albedoequals1 20th Oct 2018, 9:50 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, AJ's got nothing. The fact that the CE barbarian made a pragmatic and arguably moral choice is not her business to analyze. In fact, any actions by a player that do not have negative consequences for another player should never be open for OoC party criticism.
Freelance 21st Oct 2018, 6:51 PM edit delete reply
It probably wasn't the choice itself that was made, but from the sounds of it, how quickly and without compunctions it was made.
Digo Dragon 20th Oct 2018, 10:13 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
Part of me wonders if AJ is still doing her gas-lighting role here...
Tempestfury 20th Oct 2018, 11:51 AM edit delete reply
... That's actually a good point Digo. That being said, I don't think there's anything there that has to actually be a lie.
Digo 20th Oct 2018, 2:09 PM edit delete reply
There isn't, true... unless Spud purposely wrote it vague enough to leave us guessing. :3
ThatGuest 20th Oct 2018, 1:55 PM edit delete reply
Also it's possible RD realizes that they're going to have to reset the world afterwards anways when Discord is done so that would include reversing and negative effects to Cloudsdale. It's possible that AJ is unknowingly salty too that Dash, the 'bad' player was smarter than the rest of them and didn't get cursed by simply telling him to go flap himself like the rest should have.
Enigmatic Jack 21st Oct 2018, 1:07 PM edit delete reply
My guess is it's more that AJ thinks doing something that was such a no-brainer action for RD was probably what DiscorDM actually wanted to happen in the first place.
THatGuest 21st Oct 2018, 1:50 PM edit delete reply
Possible though AJ's tone seems prtty confrontational and it seems like AJ may be a bit of a RP snob. Where they constantly judge everyone else's actions characterwise. People like that see ignoring plot drama hooks as a total sin. Like my party that released a demon and then tore into me for wanting to ignore it. Thankfully I was kinda vindicated when the GM revealed that the demon was not plot important, it was a total ruse he had thrown in there completely believing the party wouldn't be stupid enough to realease an archdemon just because he said to. Boy they were not happy when he kept tormenting us through the campaign.
belmontzar 22nd Oct 2018, 4:37 PM edit delete reply
you guys do remmeber that AJ us cursed right? RD is speaking in character and so is so take everything AJ says with a bit of leeway. For all we know the player is rather proud of RD for thier choice but in CHARACTEr they raz the barbarian because its what they do.
Discord 20th Oct 2018, 6:06 AM edit delete reply
*dressed as a baseball vendor*
Glasses, get your monochrome glasses here!
Be prepared for rainbow explosion with these monochromatic glasses!
Only costs one bad joke!
FanOfMostEverything 20th Oct 2018, 6:33 AM edit delete reply
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Something something Scootaloo.
Draxynnic 21st Oct 2018, 4:08 AM edit delete reply
Why did the hippopotamus cross the road?

It was the chicken's day off.
Ether Space 20th Oct 2018, 7:24 AM edit delete reply
Two ponies walked into a bar. The third pony ducked.
Hankroyd 20th Oct 2018, 9:15 AM edit delete reply
What is green and sits crying in the corner?

The incredible Sulk.
MooseImperium 20th Oct 2018, 9:59 AM MooseImperium edit delete reply
How many therapists does it take to change a lightbulb?

One, but the lightbulb has to *want* to change.
Exgallion 20th Oct 2018, 11:45 AM edit delete reply
CharginChuck 20th Oct 2018, 10:11 PM edit delete reply
One bad joke? Okay-Electronic Arts.
Wulfraed 21st Oct 2018, 9:56 AM edit delete reply
I object! Deluxe Paint was a great program for the age...
HappyEevee 20th Oct 2018, 10:41 PM edit delete reply
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.

Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.
Winged Cat 21st Oct 2018, 12:57 PM edit delete reply
Winged Cat
When the Mallard boat sank, killing a couple dozen people, its makers pointed out the storm conditions its captain sailed into, the lack of maintenance, et cetera, because they wanted to duck responsibility.
Freelance 21st Oct 2018, 6:59 PM edit delete reply
Mr. Jackson, the famous football/baseball dual athlete, decided to pick up a third sport as a hobby and try out archery. However, things went awry when an anthropomorphic bear accidentally knelt on the quiver and equipment, thinking it was a log. Said bear then repeatedly kowtowed as a form of apology for the mistake. In other words, Booboo boobooed Bo's bow by bowing.
cmndrhurricane 22nd Oct 2018, 8:47 AM edit delete reply
there was a bodybuilding contest in town.
the necromancer misunderstood
Blyndir 23rd Oct 2018, 12:09 AM edit delete reply
Pinkie Pie walks into a bar. Bartender says, "Oh dear, my medication's wearing off."
Mystic Seer 20th Oct 2018, 8:13 AM edit delete reply
Twi's line in panel two pretty much sums up the problem with this session at least at this point. DiscorDM is not letting the PC's do anything and is just railroading them. At this point if the PC actully win it will be because he let them.
IridiumFleas 20th Oct 2018, 10:15 AM edit delete reply
I'm leaning that way as well.

I'm holding off judgment on DiscorDM as a person, but as a GM, there's a conductor's hat and a whistle nearby.
IridiumFleas 20th Oct 2018, 10:15 AM edit delete reply
I'm leaning that way as well.

I'm holding off judgment on DiscorDM as a person, but as a GM, there's a conductor's hat and a whistle nearby.
undead_rattler 22nd Oct 2018, 11:17 AM undead_rattler edit delete reply
and what, exactly is wrong with just a little bit of railroading every now and then? Sometimes there's a story to be told and not saying "hey check out this thing otherwise it'll explode" can cause some issues. The only real railroading DiscordGM is doing so far is saying "I'm a metaphysical being that just turned your home into a pit of chaos and hid the fix-it-macguffin-item in pieces around the area. Good luck."

They're perfectly free to let the world devolve into chaos.
Mr Wednesday 22nd Oct 2018, 12:12 PM edit delete reply
The thing though, is that DiscorDM hasn’t provided any framework at all for how they might STOP that chaos. Saying “you’re free to quit if you want” isn’t good game mastering by any metric.

He doesn’t acknowledge their actions, he harasses them with curses and wandering damage, and he’s so focused on the immersive element (his costumes, his hijacking of the narrative, the light switches) that he’s ignoring every other element of a good game.

The issue here is that the party is exploring his chaosed world against its will—spectating, not participating. That’s when railroading starts to go too far.
undead_rattler 23rd Oct 2018, 6:09 AM undead_rattler edit delete reply
But he _has_ given them a framework to how they stop the chaos. Let's look at this at another angle - instead of "I broke the world and made it chaos" they've been plane shifted to a chaos plane. It's just a different environment for the group to explore and it's taking a little adjusting to the new world around them.

I wasn't implying that they're "free to quit". I was saying that they can let the god of Chaos rule over the realm and explore this new world, if they so choose.

In which way does he not acknowledge their actions? And the only wandering damage I've seen so far is hurt pride, there haven't been any damage dice rolls. The curses suck, I agree, and as a DM I personally wouldn't have done that to my players without discussing it with them. But on the other hand, I've been in a campaign where we all received curses (because we wandered around in some poison joke). The curses we received were more physical than they were mental though.

The only curse I really have any objection to is Applejack's. Mixing OOC and IC things sucks. There's absolutely no reason AJ shouldn't be allowed to talk about things OOC, and I suspect that's something we're going to see in the next page.
Mr Wednesday 23rd Oct 2018, 9:46 AM edit delete reply
Well, let me rephrase: what’s the last thing to happen in this session that the party decided to do something by their own choice? The whole session has been a goose-chase for the elements with no chance for the players to take initiative.

Twilight made an interesting point about solving instead of listening. Other than the macro-challenge (defeat god of chaos) there hasn’t been anything for anyone to solve, except one combat encounter. How many dice have been rolled so far?

I’m glad we agree about the curses, though! Common ground!
Digo Dragon 20th Oct 2018, 10:15 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
Aye, I agree. Mentioned it last page as well. Though now it looks like a intra-party fight between AJ and Dash is gonna be yet another distraction. :/
Tempestfury 20th Oct 2018, 11:53 AM edit delete reply
Except for when he split the party in the maze, there has been absolutely no signs of DiscordDMing Railroading the game.

Heck, CelesGM did more railroading when it came to the maze in the first place.
obscurereader 20th Oct 2018, 12:32 PM Well edit delete reply
It's also possible to just split the difference and go, "They're both being railroading douches, unintentionally or otherwise due to the nature of their plot idea, and need to stop immediately." I'm slightly more willing to be charitable to Discord!DM in the sense that he wasn't the guy who made the idea in the first place, but I think WordyGuest said it best a while back when they said Discord!DM has a heavy hand in making Discord the annoying Big Bad Evil Guy that he is in this campaign through their rp and actions as co-DM. Neither of the DMs have totally clean hands in this, and - to me at least - trying to decide who has more blame is just splitting hairs at this point.

Seriously can't wait for that moment when Twilight and the DM just talk properly instead of continuing this whole deal.
ThatGuest 20th Oct 2018, 1:33 PM edit delete reply
And on top of all that the rest of the party has contributed -nothing- the whole session. They've been too busy rping by themselves mostly to actually do anything. Yes I know rp is part of it, but there's a G in there too, Game. Eventually you have to shut up and play the game otherwise what's the point. To quote myself when dealing with a player with the same issue of dragging the game down so he could rp all the time.....

"Listen man, if you just want to rp with yourself go find a chat room, message board or write a damn fanfic with your OC. If you're not going to actually play the game there's no point in you wasting everyone's time watching you (*redacted to keep thing PG*) for four hours."
HappyEevee 20th Oct 2018, 10:38 PM edit delete reply
Thank you, ThatGuestJessie, for the daily Rocket Report!
Archone 20th Oct 2018, 11:36 AM edit delete reply
I'm actually thinking of... DC Comics, and the film they made out of this, that storyline where Vandal Savage stole Batman's plans for neutralizing the Justice League should they go rogue, tweaked them to be lethal (and outright sadistic), and all as part of a plot to wipe out modern civilization because the caveman finds electronic devices strange and confusing. Specifically, the bit at the end where the team is so pissed at Batman for... being sensible. Because it's not as if mind control, evil clones, possession, and alternate timelines aren't a thing for them, right?

As for Discord GM... I'm wondering if he's doing this specifically to create the intra-party conflict. The only reason I can think of to do this is because of something he said in a previous page. "These ARE your friends... warts and all." Is that supposed to be the challenge, the team learning to address their flaws and come together? (I.e. the way they did in the two-part episode that this story arc is based on)
obscurereader 20th Oct 2018, 12:45 PM Hold up a sec edit delete reply
If I'm remembering that DC storyline correctly (though I'll go double check that info through Tvtropes in a sec), a bigger issue - on my end as a consumer of the story, if not from an in-universe perspective - wasn't necessarily that Batman had the plans in the first place (though that definitely was a part of it, if not the official thing - most people don't make plans to take down their friends), it was that a) He didn't tell them he had the plans in the first place, and b) He didn't secure them well enough against supervillain theft. Because of those two factors, the Justice League got fucked royally since they had no way to counter the plans on their own in the first place (at least until Batman started frantically scrambling everyone with counter plans for his modified plans). Also, I remember the plans being specifically tailored to the League as capital-H Heroes, rather than them as supervillains/alternate universe people/mind controlled slaves, which was weird if he was trying to plan for evil/dangerous/alternate/different versions of the League, though it could work if they were just mind controlled and fundamentally the same people underneath. (Also, his plan to deal with an evil version of himself was the Justice League, even though he has plans to take down the Justice League...? Not sure how well thought out that is).

I dunno, maybe there were details I missed about that story, but I don't necessarily think Batman was the solely sensible one there. (Honestly, he should've written everything down then dug a hole somewhere only he knew about to bury it in, or just kept the info in his head - can't download something with tech if it's not on a computer, right? Also, I remember Superman giving Batman a Kryptonite bullet at the end of it cause he thought having the backup plans/contingencies was a good idea, so it wasn't like everyone on the League was mad at Batman or thought he was being totally insane or something)
Archone 20th Oct 2018, 6:27 PM edit delete reply
As far as the security was concerned... it was the Batcave. They had to break into the Batcave. Their plan for HIM relied on the fact that they already knew he was Bruce Wayne and buried him alive in his parents' grave. Also, they tweaked the plans - his original methods were nonlethal and far less sadistic, while still playing on their weaknesses (kryptonite for Superman, fire for Martian Manhunter, etc). We've seen some of his original plans in their unmodified form - when HE hit Superman with a kryptonite weapon, it was a dart with a handle, allowing to to be yanked out the moment Superman was back to himself.

Yes, Superman gave Batman the kryptonite... he shaped it into a dart. IIRC. Unfortunately there's a LOT of the stuff... one of the many many timelines (they keep doing reboots) had Krypton's destruction be due to a doomsday device that had been detonated a thousand years prior, that turned the ENTIRE PLANET into kryptonite from the inside out until it finally cracked and blew up.

Personally, I think the least sensible part is that nobody thought to take Vandal Savage and throw him in a mulcher, then throw the resulting puree into a concrete mixer and make a bunch of bricks to toss in the ocean and into space. Savage is an immortal evil bastard who is suspected to have been the first cannibal and is a social darwinist to boot. Turning him into bricks wouldn't even qualify as killing, since he's immortal.
CCC 22nd Oct 2018, 12:28 AM edit delete reply
> Personally, I think the least sensible part is that nobody thought to take Vandal Savage and throw him in a mulcher, then throw the resulting puree into a concrete mixer and make a bunch of bricks to toss in the ocean and into space. Savage is an immortal evil bastard who is suspected to have been the first cannibal and is a social darwinist to boot. Turning him into bricks wouldn't even qualify as killing, since he's immortal.

He's immortal, and tends to regrow from a single cell when necessary. Sure, you could do that to him, but so what? By the next day he is (a) back and (b) a lot angrier - what have you gained in this process?
Archone 22nd Oct 2018, 9:08 PM edit delete reply
I am unfamiliar with the "regrowing from a single cell" aspect. And if that is the case... sterilize the area after you've made the bricks.

(though if he CAN regrow from a single cell, then why aren't there more of him? I think they did something like that with Lobo, where his amputated appendages and spilled blood turn into new members of his species or something?)
Classic Steve 20th Oct 2018, 3:08 PM edit delete reply
Really, what could Dash hope to do for Cloudsdale anyway?
Malroth 20th Oct 2018, 3:55 PM edit delete reply
How I see this ending. Dischord lets them have the elements, tells them that using them will destroy Him but leave the curses permanent.Then has them secretly vote on either winning now with all the havoc intact, or waiting, going into each ponie's mind to find the fault that allowed the curse to take hold and helping them overcome it thus breaking the curse and getting the good end.
Dragonflight 21st Oct 2018, 8:56 AM edit delete reply
I wouldn't be surprised if one (or all) of the players take their regular GM aside at the end of that and make it *perfectly clear* that they don't want that other guy to GM their games ever again.

I've been around a player or two who are like that character, and they are all total douches when it comes to "their way or the highway" in game management. It makes games unplayable for me. So I don't game with them. But if one of those people was foisted on our group, I'd make *damn sure* the regular GM knew how unhappy I was with their decision, and know that if they insisted on letting that other guy GM regularly, I was leaving the game.

I suspect the same thing may happen here. The GM just wanted to introduce his players to his original GM, but said original GM appears to be a major douche with a railroad conductor's hat and whistle as his favorite accessories. I would not be surprised if the players were *firm* with the GM about their choice of co-DM.
Mr Wednesday 21st Oct 2018, 10:27 AM edit delete reply
You’re right, communicating like that would be the best thing they could do. I still think the Main GM should have gotten an actual go-ahead before doing this, and not let somebody else come in and deeply mess with each player, without the players agreeing to participate.
Winged Cat 21st Oct 2018, 1:01 PM edit delete reply
Winged Cat
If Discord claims the curses are permanent after he's defeated?

Players, in unison: "RULE ZERO! It's gone when you are." Or words to that effect.
HappyEevee 20th Oct 2018, 10:29 PM edit delete reply
I have to say you're doing an amazing job working RD into all these scenes. ^_^
DuoScratch 21st Oct 2018, 3:25 PM edit delete reply
Ya know, I didn't know "removing your filter," Just meant "Constantly be a bitch for no reason." Cuz that's kinda all Flutterdouche does now. It speaks volumes about how fake the person playing the character really is.
Mr Wednesday 21st Oct 2018, 4:51 PM edit delete reply
This arc presents an interesting problem: is the fun of roleplaying outside your comfort zone worth the strain of intra-party conflict? The analysis so far in these comments seem to focus on one of two positions: either 1) the group is having fun with what DiscorDM is doing, and are playing to find out what happens, or 2) the group has gone overboard playing to the hilt and Twilight, who doesn’t have a curse of her own, is getting increasingly alienated and frustrated

What’s interesting is that I can’t really see one of these as the stronger. Is the climax of this arc is good enough and everyone has fun, and making the Discord NPC finally shut up is cathartic, the group might not worry about the middle of they’re satisfied with the ending. Likewise, it’s possible that by his insistence on running things HIS way, DiscorDM pushes everyone away and the players start fighting at the table, as has already seemed to happen.

So I put it to the comment section, what do you think?
ThatGuest 21st Oct 2018, 9:55 PM edit delete reply
It's starting to seem like a solid 2, and the way Discord is only throwing more gas on the fire constantly makes me think he wanted this to turn out into an all out RL brawl at the table if he could manage it. The regular GM is just too deep in their hero worship to pay attention right now.

"He's not really trying to burn my game to the ground for a cheap laugh...he's amazing and brilliant, it's all just my imagination...yes...must trust him, he's so great."
Mr Wednesday 21st Oct 2018, 10:58 PM edit delete reply
I guess I don’t want DiscorDM vindicated just because the party wins in the end (assuming my foreknowledge holds true). Because it’ll be a flimsy excuse for putting everybody through hell.
THE OTHER GUEST 21st Oct 2018, 11:34 PM THE OTHER GUEST edit delete reply
I've suspected from the beginning of the arc that there's going to be an "out-of-game" (still illustrated by edited screen-caps) segment after the party breaks up at the end of the session, potentially "Permanently" thanks to all the inter-party arguing and Discord!DM's antics wearing on everyone and someone (probably Twilight) finally having Enough and rage-quitting the table.

How the segment would work, in my mind, is that the Regular GM goes out and tries to round everyone up for "One Last Hurrah" to put the campaign to rest and get closure after a week or so to let things cool off. This time, during the hiatus they would actually legitimately work things out with the Discord!DM so that the players can actually have the amazing experience they wanted in the first place, and things turn around so well during the followup session that the game continues.
Mr Wednesday 22nd Oct 2018, 12:32 AM edit delete reply
That’s something I’d like to see, actually!
Tempestfury 23rd Oct 2018, 12:51 AM edit delete reply
I don't really see the point of asking that question.

The people with the discord hate-boner are going to keep the discord hate-boner no matter what happens, while those who are willing to actually give Discord a chance, and reserve judgement until we see this entire arc through, are going to give him the benefit of the doubt and wait until we see this entire arc through.

Seriously though, the Discord hate-boner people are especially annoying, considering the fact that they make many many wild claims about Discord that there is no evidence to support at all. stuff like how he's railroading characters, how he has absolutely refused to let the others play in a different manner, and that he's an asshole who is burning this entire campaign to the ground just so he can have a laugh.

Seriously, make claims with actual evidence
Mr Wednesday 23rd Oct 2018, 11:20 AM edit delete reply
I don’t see what was wrong with my question. I was attempting to frame the situation more neutrally. If you wanna be stroppy please do it elsewhere.

I understand what you’re saying even if I don’t agree with lol of it. I think the concern many are expressing, the ones you say have hate-boners, is that DiscorDM’s presence is creating lots of friction between the PLAYERS, not the characters.

I appreciate that he plays hard, and that the god of chaos isn’t a pushover, but a fight in real life isn’t the point. They should be angry and frustrated at DISCORD, in the game. Instead, they’re mad at each other. Not in character. They’re criticising each other’s choices and the game is suffering because of it.
Archone 21st Oct 2018, 6:26 PM edit delete reply
Maybe Newbiespud also intends to incorporate some of the episode where Raging Bull helps Fluttershy be more confident, only for Fluttershy to realize she's starting to act like a bully?
paradoxical 23rd Oct 2018, 6:00 AM nice edit delete reply
I like the episode change there.