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23rd Oct 2018, 6:00 AM in The Return of Harmony, Part 2
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Newbiespud 23rd Oct 2018, 6:00 AM edit delete
YOU get a soapbox! YOU get a soapbox!

I know I lose a few people when I drop a computer/console gaming reference, but alas, I've played so much BioWare content that it's practically part of my DNA. I gotta exorcise it a little bit every now and then.

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Zetsus 23rd Oct 2018, 6:09 AM edit delete reply
I mean, let's be real here Dashie's got a point. When you're playing chicken with an all powerful deity you're going to get boned no question about it, the only difference is /how/ you get shafted.

She basically decided to take a social hit instead of a literal one, and as such (in so much as the party is concerned) she's the only one besides Twilight that's uncursed at the moment.

From a tactical standpoint her choice has merit, if not from a moral one. But then again sometimes you have to do the "Horrible Algebra" to use Discworld terms, and the needs of the many don't always outweigh the needs of the few or the one, especially if that one is gearing up to throw down against an all powerful god to save those many who said god was just going to torture regardless.
terrycloth 23rd Oct 2018, 10:40 AM edit delete reply
Or you can say, 'paying the ransom just encourages them to take more hostages later'. Once you've established that you don't care about anything, everyone else is safe from your enemies.
Winged Cat 23rd Oct 2018, 11:40 AM edit delete reply
Winged Cat
What terrycloth said. In Dash's opinion, she could let Cloudsdale get hit and stay uncursed, or take the curse...and likely (in her opinion of DiscorDM) see Cloudsdale get hit anyway.

So the choice actually reduces to "curse or no curse". Her choice did not affect whether Cloudsdale would get hit. From that angle, as she said, the choice she made was meaningless.
Luna 23rd Oct 2018, 10:40 AM edit delete reply
I doubt RD considered the tactical merits of her choice, but I agree that, in my opinion, her decision has merits. The main one, and the one that AJ is disregarding by bringing this up ooc : Dash stayed true to her character, which is a chaotic evil barbarian that is loyal mainly toward her party.

Her decision was just that : stayt true to her party and no care for the innocent bystanders. AJ seems to be assuming that everybody in the party is, or should be, lawful good and act accordingly, but that's not true and shouldn't be true.

And really, bringing this ooc is just another bad move on her part, in my opinion. That means she's chastising the player instead of the character, which can sour things up way too much for the table's harmony.
DuoScratch 23rd Oct 2018, 1:15 PM edit delete reply
Actually, AJ doesn't think that at all. It's very clear, based on her dialogue, what she's really sick of is covering for the CE Barb. She doesn't expect Dash to change, she's just sick of having all of Dash's CE actions backlash onto the group as a whole, which is a problem in a group of mostly good, if not at least neutral characters.

There are plenty of times when groups just get sick of handling the Chaotic Stupid's fallout. That being said though, Dash doesn't really do all that much (at least from what we're privy to) to truly reflect poorly on the group, so this might be some crap from other games entirely.
Dakkath 23rd Oct 2018, 1:29 PM edit delete reply
Don't forget, Dash's choice was
A) choose Cloudsdale, the party loses Discord's game, Dash probably gets cursed
or B) choose to stick with the party, have a better chance of saving all of Equestria, save Cloudsdale as part of that.
ThatGuest 23rd Oct 2018, 2:24 PM edit delete reply
Also the choices were save the party or save a random town thats only been visited once and has been shown to be full of people Dash dislikes. "You're going to blow up a town full of jerks? monster..." *sips drink*
Kaze Koichi 24th Oct 2018, 2:31 AM edit delete reply
AJ would have a point... in any other situation. Here, however, was a test of character that everypony failed and Dash passed. In lose-lose situation sacrifices should be made, and this situation is not as simple as moral dilemma, but a strategic choice instead.
And when did the party need to cover for her? I don't remember anything like that! RD is quite tame for evil character: she has her fun, while not ruining the fun for other players. she is playing CE right.
ThatGuest 24th Oct 2018, 3:45 AM edit delete reply
Dash's CEness didn't even really come into play, the evil villain gave her a lose/lose with an obvious better outcome.

"Now you must choose! Do you want me to shoot your friend? Or this random guy who probably kicks puppies as a hobby! Mwahaha, oh the moral quandry!"
FanOfMostEverything 23rd Oct 2018, 6:11 AM edit delete reply
Oh b
FanOfMostEverything 23rd Oct 2018, 6:12 AM edit delete reply
Sorry about that; touchscreens and this comment system don't always mix.

In any case, with the conflict bleeding out of the session, I see Twilight's player screaming and walking away from the table very soon.
Mystic seer 23rd Oct 2018, 6:11 AM edit delete reply
Of course AJ is also playing into Discord's hands by confronting Dash about it now, as opposed to waiting for a more suitable time.
ThatGuest 24th Oct 2018, 3:54 AM edit delete reply
On top of being a hypocrite. AJ is all over RD telling her to act like she's on a team, when RD is the only one who has thought of the team the whole session. No one else in the group outside of RD or Twilight has done a damn thing. Even when Twilight was bluntly asking them to stop overacting for 5 minutes to help her with the riddle no one even acknowledged her.
Digo Dragon 23rd Oct 2018, 6:11 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
Rainbow has a good point. Nothing prevents discord from screwing over other cities later. At least by picking her party over Cloudsdale now, she gives the team a chance to fight Discord's plan and restore order. Without the party, Equestria is doomed.
Golden_Glass 23rd Oct 2018, 7:36 AM edit delete reply
On top of that, there's the fact that Cloudsdale is already home to an entire Guild's worth of barbarians. Practically speaking, there's nothing special she could do to save Cloudsdale if she tried- her element relies on her sticking with her party.

And morally, the party as a whole has already faced this particular choice- they had to leave Ponyville unfixed in order to answer Celestia's summons. Sometimes being the hero of the world means that you can't be the hero of the town.
Digo Dragon 23rd Oct 2018, 11:47 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
Indeed, particularly on that last point.
albedoequals1 23rd Oct 2018, 6:16 AM edit delete reply
Yeah...AJ is just wrong here. Dash has done several questionable things over the years, but this isn't one of them. I was in a game where my fighter was the moral compass of the group, and made a similar call, and everyone was similarly shocked.

You can't play by the terms of an evil god of madness. They're *lying* to you, and have no reason to respect any deal they make. Regardless of what you choose, the evil consequences are entirely their fault. The whole point of the choice is to distract you. Therefore, the correct choice is the one that deviates the least from your previous course.
Tempestfury 23rd Oct 2018, 6:52 AM edit delete reply
AJ isn't just talking about this one, single choice through. She's talking about how RD's reacted to similar choices in the game beforehand, and more than likely other choices that have been made in other games.
DuoScratch 23rd Oct 2018, 1:17 PM edit delete reply
I have to agree with Tempest, This doesn't feel like an AJ and Dash thing, this feels like an AJ's player and Dash's player thing over multiple sessions.
Toric 23rd Oct 2018, 6:57 AM edit delete reply
In some fairness to AJ, though she is not presently chasing this angle, RD kept this information to herself. Maybe for the best, given the argument, but it is something that everyone else would want to know. Unfortunately the information changes little except to pile on the urgency.
Guest 23rd Oct 2018, 7:13 AM edit delete reply
There's not a whole lot of reason for it, but I wonder if Applejack's players maybe works in or used to work for law enforcement. After all, in such a setting, hostage situations are basically always responded to with "stall, buy time, etc." Sure, you don't actually give in to the demands, but "just burn it down" would also be a very unprofessional response, to put it lightly.

Then again, in fairness to Rainbow Dash, while mortal hostage takers can be unhinged, they generally aren't also omnipotent chaos incarnate. It also doesn't help that the average D&D player probably isn't trained in dealing with hostage situations - and that D&D mechanics aren't necessarily built around resolving them through negotiation.
Solitary Performance 23rd Oct 2018, 7:51 AM edit delete reply
Dash's player, there, at the end, hit why many people dislike the end of Mass Effect 3... the choices you made through the games morally were window dressing at best at the end. Paragon Shep, Renegade Shep, both got the same set of ending options, rendering the system largely pointless in the end.
you know that guy 23rd Oct 2018, 9:43 PM edit delete reply
Hey now, you got to choose the color of the explosion!
Guest 23rd Oct 2018, 9:18 AM edit delete reply
This feels like AJ's player overstepping her bounds here. Rainbow's choice was solid from any angle you want to measure it. It seems like she's more upset that she was the one hit the worst by the curse, having all the information available and unable to do anything about it. Worse, she is actively working against the others. Whereas outside of Rarity being obsessed with a heavy item, which in practical terms just slows them a bit, everyone else can still contribute. And to have the least "roleplaying" player hit the least seems to have pushed her over the edge.

It was an unwinnable scenario, how does it reflect poorly on the whole team? Is Celestia going to complain that the mad god she let escape lay waste to a city and they didn't stop them? Are the citizens of Cloudsdale going to accuse a bunch of civilians (which is what they are without the elements) of not prioritizing them over the rest of the world?

She might be mad at the cavalier attitude, but if so, don't associate with an evil character.
Redwings1340 23rd Oct 2018, 9:49 AM edit delete reply
Finally, someone is going out of character to talk about things. Now, AJ's argument here, while a fair argument, is incorrect in this situation. I understand it, because abandoning cloudsdale is... a very difficult choice morally, but at the same time, Rainbow Dash's decision is also understandable.

In this case, I think Rainbow Dash is correct upon thinking about it. Discord's challenge to her was not fair, it was an ultimatum. There was nothing Rainbow Dash could do to get out of it other than to ignore it. Also, Dash is right in that her choice is meaningless, there is no guarantee that abandoning the party would actually save cloudsdale, just give it a little bit of time while Discord remains on the throne.
Nixitur 23rd Oct 2018, 1:07 PM edit delete reply
Not only that, but if Rainbow Dash had given in, and saved Cloudsdale instead, that would have betrayed her element of loyalty, thus probably getting her cursed. She couldn't have known that, but it shows that even in hindsight, it was the correct action. And she has proven time and again that she cares about her friends, and little else.
Guest 23rd Oct 2018, 11:00 AM edit delete reply
Okay, AJ's argument here kinda bugs me. First off, her point about "responsibility as a team" is completely invalid - Discord pulled everyone into one-on-one sessions, remember? Dash COULDN'T consult the team because they'd be separated. Also note that "questionable" does not unilaterally mean "wrong" - it means it's open to questioning whether it was right or wrong. And that's true of both options that Dash had, so no matter what she did, she'd be making a questionable choice with no chance to consult the party.

Second off: "The correct answer to a hostage-taking is NEVER Just burn it down; I don't care!" Yeahhhh gonna have to disagree there, if you're dealing with a chaos god who's just going to burn it down regardless, then the right choice is to just suck it up and make the choice that gives you a chance to beat him. Not to mention, Dash is chaotic evil. Oh, you don't think she made the right choice? Well guess what, she's EVIL. At what point do you hear someone say "I'm evil" and expect them to make the morally-sound decisions all the time? If you want your party to always make the stick-up-the-butt lawful good decisions.... don't play with a party who aren't lawful good!
Hankroyd 23rd Oct 2018, 11:21 AM edit delete reply
Huh ... I would have gone with Telltale Games instead of Mass Effect ... But I guess the resilt is the same.
Kitsune Dragoon 23rd Oct 2018, 1:51 PM edit delete reply
Probably because Mass Effect has more action than Tell Tale Games?
Freelance 23rd Oct 2018, 11:50 AM edit delete reply
Does this bit count as advice for Rainbow?
Archone 23rd Oct 2018, 1:18 PM edit delete reply
I agree with pretty much every other comment here so far... since pretty much everyone is agreed: Applejack is completely in the wrong for attempting to OOCly chew out Dash's player like that.

And... considering that Discord GM specifically foreshadowed this early ("yes, Twilight, these ARE your friends... warts and all."), I'm thinking he intended this from the start. Which also begs the question: why?

There's always the question of motive. WHY does someone do something? There are those who believe that Discord GM is a horrible person and a troll and a no good jerk... except Main GM venerates Discord GM's abilities as a GM. Which goes back to the same question: Why? Why does Main GM think so highly of Discord GM's abilities?

I'm also thinking of what Fluttershy said in the third panel. "That choice plays right into Discord's hand by creating... THIS situation." Which could be taken on multiple levels, ICly and OOCly. Can Fluttershy tell that Discord wanted to cause this conflict, to have these issues aired?

I have theories of my own... but that's all they are. Theories. I'm still waiting to see what happens next, and I'm eager for the next update.
Mr Wednesday 23rd Oct 2018, 2:17 PM edit delete reply
What theories do you have? I'd be interested to hear what you think the endgame here is. You're correct in noting that DiscorDM probably has some kind of payoff planned. But I have some misgivings about his style.

In my experience, if the players are this angry at each other, that's a bug, not a feature. It'd mean my game isn't doing what it's meant to, or even what I want it to do.

What we know about DiscorDM is that he really likes simulating the effects he narrates. We can probably extrapolate that he wants the tensions between the group to be as real as possible. Whether that's a good idea or not is another matter altogether.
Archone 23rd Oct 2018, 7:19 PM edit delete reply
Well, my main theories involve two tropes, one of which is overused to death and overdone and overdone some more and overdone with a vengeance and then overdone X-treme style!

That would be... Deconstruction. Where you tear something apart, you expose the flaws inherent in the concept. You create a story that exposes all the gaps in the logic and raises the unanswered questions and tears it all to pieces. And then you brag and boast about being a genius and sneer at anyone who complains about how you ruined the fun...

...And then there's the other, much harder one, the one that takes actual brains. RECONSTRUCTION. Where you rebuild what was taken apart, while addressing the flaws. You make it better, because of that. (a great link about it... be wary, though. You could be lost for a long time if you keep clicking... )

So if Discord GM isn't trolling them just for his own sick amusement... then he's bringing these flaws up to the surface specifically so they can address them. So that they can overcome them together. He's not just testing and challenging the player characters, forcing them to grow and improve; he's testing and challenging the players themselves.

Part of the reason for my theory is that he IS a pretentious, arrogant, and somewhat condescending person... like a lot of psychologists. My high school was co-principaled by a husband and wife pair of psychologists, and the male principal warned me, "Never take advice from a psychologist or psychiatrist. We're all nuts."
Mr Wednesday 23rd Oct 2018, 7:42 PM edit delete reply
Your theory matches up with mine perfectly. Best case, he’s going for the reconstruction scenario you described.
HappyEevee 23rd Oct 2018, 10:17 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, he's put way too much thought and effort into this just to be screwing with them for fun. He's definitely trying to accomplish something with them, and since he was brought in by a friend to help their table the simplest assumption is that, in his own way, he's trying to help them become better gamers and a more cohesive table. But it may be a painful process.
Aeshdan 23rd Oct 2018, 8:38 PM edit delete reply
Here are my thoughts:
1: It really feels to me that DDM is used to playing with a group that is much more capable of separating IC and OOC, and hence has a much higher level of IC drama.
2: It also appears that his GMing style incorporates a large amount of difficult moral choices, extensive roleplaying, and deep character discovery. At the very least, he is good at those things.
3: He knows that Lauren chose him as a guest DM specifically because she believed that his GMing style and skills made him more suited than Lauren to run Discord.
4: As I have previously discussed, it is quite possible that he also believes (wrongly, of course) that the players were consulted on this arc ahead of time and agreed (at least in general terms) to this development.

Ergo, I believe he is trying to inject difficult choices, deep character discovery, and intense roleplaying into this setting and campaign, because he believes that that is what everyone wants.
Mr Wednesday 23rd Oct 2018, 9:20 PM edit delete reply
I think that’s a correct assessment all around. I don’t feel like he’s an asshole or anything, he’s just not running a game tailored to this group, and there are some consequences to that. Hopefully they’ll manage to get some fun out of this, and will be open to seeing him again in the future.

It interesting because he’s testing them and their skills in new ways. Some people enjoy that and others don’t.
Toric 24th Oct 2018, 7:53 AM edit delete reply
Remember when the DM called Discord to assist? They outright said that they wanted a truly villainous presence to challenge the players. On the one hand, I think Discord is delivering an ironclad plot and forcing them into addressing it rather than skipping or cheesing past.

On the other hand, I think that DM is hoping that Discord will lightning rod for them and give the players appreciation for their DMing style.
Smarty 23rd Oct 2018, 1:30 PM edit delete reply
Sometimes there is no right answer, there is no 'pick this one for the happy ending' it's just shit answer A and shit answer B adn you have to pick which will have the least backlash in the long run then deal with the consequences
Tempestfury 23rd Oct 2018, 1:47 PM edit delete reply
... Aren't we metagaming here?

We're looking at the comic from an outsider's perceptive, with knowledge that the characters of the comic don't have, and we are using it to make judgement calls about who's right and who's wrong.

Replace 'comic' with 'RPG', and then we're metagaming, right?
Toric 23rd Oct 2018, 5:30 PM edit delete reply
I think, by AJ deliberately specifying that she is OOC, that she has removed the whole conversation to metagaming. This is a conversation that she can't presently have with RD's character over her career in "evil." If she wants to step back and have a conversation about group dynamics, RD (and us as well) is justified in claiming that this situation doesn't apply. AJ isn't calling RD out for roleplay, as several have indicated before me, but for the inconvenience of having to play with a different alignment (or even an alignment apathy based on metagaming principles). So taking that into consideration, if both parties step back and examine the whole campaign, this whole conversation, they could draw the same conclusions as us. The only real difference is our personal, emotional involvement is less than the players'.
Tempestfury 25th Oct 2018, 7:22 AM edit delete reply
And as the next page very much implies.

This is NOT a situation in regards how Rainbow Dash is being played.

This is a situation that goes far beyond just this campaign.
Demon Nachos 23rd Oct 2018, 2:53 PM edit delete reply
Someone takes a hostage to use as leverage against you. Remove that leverage, and their power over you is removed as well.
Hariman 23rd Oct 2018, 10:07 PM edit delete reply
There was no way to win. AJ would be mad/frustrated either way.

And that's the point. Stress the party, and make them come together despite their differences.

Also, a secondary point about Mass Effect: It's also about the journey, and who you are in the dark.

Very few choices actually get called out in the large scale, and most results go unnoticed by most people in universe. But you? You're Shepherd. YOU get the emails from the refugees who now have proper medical treatment, and from the bereaved mother who is finally moving on and opening her heart again.

You get to see the results as a man who could have been a guinea pig starts to become a functional person, and as a coldhearted criminal becomes a mama bear to other biotics.

It's the results of what YOU choose, not the results at the end of the trilogy, that matters most.

And that's why I love Mass Effect 2 so much.

You REALLY get to know your crew, and can come to love them all in the process.

Well, most of them.
THE OTHER GUEST 23rd Oct 2018, 11:15 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, That's what I love about the Mass Effect Games in general. Even Three. The biggest Gripe I had about 3's original ending wasn't that the choice at the end got railroaded. It was the lack of closure to the entire thing. It just sort of stopped. It was the one bit in the entire series where you didn't get to see how all the little things you did throughout the series affected individuals, and I'm glad they addressed it in the Epilogue DLC, for good And for bad.

It was always about the journey, and the choices you made along the way to shape Your Shepard's character as an extension of Yourself. You always know that the outcomes are going to be more Binary, with fairly obvious outcomes, than truly Dynamic, since that's the limitations of a story being told through a game engine, but in the end you also know that none of that's going to matter, since you're less playing a game at times and more nudging a story along certain paths as it unfolds.

Some of the most profound conversations in the series, IMO, were the ones with Garrus in 3. The ones where you're discussing tactics, and how sometimes you have to give into the cruel calculus of War and sacrifice a few hundred thousand on one world so that two hundred million could be evacuated from another and would have the chance to live.

I see Dash's choice here being Similar to that, even if that's not how she originally thought her choice out. Sure, Cloudsdale is going to get hit. That would probably happen regardless of what choice she made. Cities can be rebuilt, but Only if there are people around, and there isn't a rogue chaos god running around to undo it all again as soon as you finish.
Archone 24th Oct 2018, 2:02 AM edit delete reply
Boy, am I glad I never bought ME3. Of course, I don't buy EA games anymore, period... don't give them your money, stop rewarding them.

That being said, I can't help but think of the alternate ending I would have gone with, had I been able to provide it. Since EA, like some other companies, just LOOOOVES to require players to connect online even for single player games (how else are they going to be constantly spammed with ads for DLC they can pay even more money for?), take advantage of that for the ending. Have Shepherd find a way to bridge the gulf between universes... between alternate timelines.

Imagine it. A super Reaper made entirely of Shepherds. All the Shepherds in all the timelines, coming together into one Reaper that can be in all timelines at the same time. Something that can completely clean up the remaining Reapers like Superman ending a gang shootout so he can talk to Batman in peace.

And to top it off, the nature of the Shepherd reaper, its coloration and personality and such... are the result of all the choices made, each player's decisions being added up with the others to affect the whole. Imagine it, imagine seeing just how many players went Paragon versus Rogue, and who made what critical choices...
ThatGuest 24th Oct 2018, 3:56 AM edit delete reply
Stressing the party is fine in fiction, but in reality, this is how players end up in a fistfight. Please, please never attempt this in RL anyone who's running a game in the future.
DeS_Tructive 24th Oct 2018, 4:09 AM edit delete reply
Thank you so much for picking up the Mass Effect banner.

I could never relate to the shitstorm, and felt it was blown far out of proportion in another one of those cases where the "fans" screw themselves over by endlessly picking things apart.

My biggest issue with the ending was that, in most cases, you had a clear "good/evil" choice in the game, with the corresponding consequences reflecting that. But the original ending was... ambiguous, at best. I think that aligns with the "closure" sentiment.
Guest 24th Oct 2018, 5:47 AM edit delete reply
I can't help but feel AJ's player is just salty she fell for the trap while RD's player didn't, OR she's angry due another situation that reminds her of this one.

Her first objection makes no sense. Does she think the group is going to be punished for not saving Cloudsdale?

Her second objection makes even LESS sense. "It's never the solution to say 'I don't if you kill them' to hostage takers", really? What if, you know, you genuinely don't care?

Bad Guy: "I've kidnapped your puppy and I'll kick it to death if you don't betray your team and doom your country!"
Confused Anti-Hero: "Uhm, I don't have a puppy? Like, at all?"

The only other explanation to me is that people are trying to play/decide RD's character for her. "No you're wrong, RD loves Cloudsdale! How could you make her so OOC for your decision!?!"
belmontzar 24th Oct 2018, 4:11 PM edit delete reply
the analogy about the puppy there actually reminded me of a popular anime. Anybody here seen Hellsing?
In the first episode, Alucard, [the protagonist HAHAHAHAHA] deals with a vampire who is holding a woman hostage. Whats he do? He shoots through the woman and kills the Vampire because that was his job. Yes he does save Seras in the end anyway but still.., in many situations that very problem is done and solved without much issue when you think about it.

Personally though Im with RD along with everyone else. They are playing the character as the character and that fits perfectly fine.

Also in regards to Cloudsdale at this point in the comic and in the show there was never much motivation to help of save the town. Nor was it shown enough to prove why or how important it was to Rainbow.

Remember that early in show the Wonderbolts lived in CANTERLOT not Cloudsdale because they are the PRINCESSES personal soldiers. Yes they perform tricks and stunts, but they were still Soldiers directly under the command of Celestia
Archone 25th Oct 2018, 4:32 AM edit delete reply
Hellsing's not bad... Hellsing Abridged is better. It drops even the pretense that Alucard is anything more than an amoral, self centered, violently impulsive sociopath who only escapes "villain" status by dint of being slightly better than the enemies he deals with. And when those enemies include "Nazi werewolf vampires," it shouldn't be that hard to come across as obviously virtuous in comparison.

"If you look deep in your heart... which is currently all over that tree... you'll forgive me... oh, will you stop looking at me with those puppy eyes? Oh... fine... I'll save you. But only because you've got big tits."

Alucard is basically the ultimate expression of a "murder hobo" style RPG player character. Doing things not because it saves anyone, but because it... amuses him. And being WAY too casual with the violence. And needing to be bribed to do anything, including "nothing at all, please don't cause any problems."

(Also, the Abridged version alters Seras' full ascension scene a bit, into something even more badass and awesome. To say nothing of how she stands up to Anderson in the next chapter ^.^ )
Hankroyd 24th Oct 2018, 11:35 AM edit delete reply
Behold the Element of Ruining Fun at her full potential !
Mr. Guy 25th Oct 2018, 3:24 AM edit delete reply
Interesting. AJ would have a point in many situations and maybe her feelings come from other games and situations, but here Rainbow was right to prioritize 'save the party, save the world' over 'save the town'.

It's funny, though, that Rainbow thinks the choice the choice was meaningless when it wasn't. It was a 'lose-lose' choice, but she chose the option that left her uncursed and allowed the party to win the maze. Just because they were both bad choices doesn't make it meaningless; she just had to choose the lesser of two evils, which she did.

And point to DiscorDM he allowed her to make that choice and didn't force her into a curse, meaning that although each player faced a something difficult his game was never rigged. Well, except when Fluttershy pissed him off OOC and he lashed out.
manicMagician 25th Oct 2018, 4:36 AM edit delete reply
I very much agree with dash here. The whole "Binary challenge designed by an all-powerful god" and "The choice I made was meaningless". I've been in similar situations in games before and I hate it. It's like "pick this horrible thing or this horrible thing". Not sure what Rule 2 she is referring to, but yeah the choice is meaningless so i do usually refuse or just pick the less horrible option instantly. Which in this case was Cloudsdale, because she knew she needed to stay with the party or things would get worse everywhere, including Cloudsdale.
Composer99 26th Oct 2018, 11:40 AM edit delete reply
Rule 2 was the second rule of Discord's labyrinth game, which was that everyone has to keep playing or he wins.