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Newbiespud 28th Mar 2019, 6:00 AM edit delete
And thus, I gave myself an excuse and a deadline to practice some more 5e char-gen and get more familiar with the system. It was fun!

Takes me back all the way to the beginning of the comic, building the Mane Six for the first time in 4th Edition. Only this time, I'm not following a blueprint written by somebody else, so I had to find my own balance between variety, representation, logic, and unexpected surprises. I feel pretty happy with this lineup.

Notice: Guest comic submissions are open! Guidelines here. Deadline: January 27th, 2023.



Gamemaster80 28th Mar 2019, 6:09 AM edit delete reply
Oooh, I get what you did with Fluttershy being the Yak lol. She's going to play that so hard.
FanOfMostEverything 28th Mar 2019, 6:09 AM edit delete reply
Being a cleric of your monarch raises some fascinating questions. Especially when one considers that Silverstream is Novo's niece. At least, she is on the show.

And I do love that "listen up, you little fewmet" screencap of Ember and Smolder.
Zaranthan 28th Mar 2019, 6:59 AM edit delete reply
D&D Cleric material makes a lot of sound and fury about people worshiping various demon princes, pit lords, and other powerful outsiders. It's reasonable to assume a mortal of sufficient personal power (and lifespan measured in millennia) could attract worshipers, awaken whatever that spark of godhood the afore-mentioned beings have, and thus be able to grant divine spells.

Heck, if that leaves a bad taste in your mouth, you could declare that Novo is merely the avatar/prophet/etc of an actual divinity and the church is simply organized around her as a formality. Before she dies, she'll groom a new Dread Pirate Roberts --er, Queen Novo-- and all but the highest of clergy will be none the wiser.
Zengar 28th Mar 2019, 7:37 AM edit delete reply
I'd say that it was a throwback to the early days of D&D (the red box and it's contemporaries) where high level adventurers could undertake quests to become Immortals, basically in game rules for exactly what you are suggesting.
Newbiespud 28th Mar 2019, 8:04 AM edit delete reply
I think the implication I was thinking of here is not that Queen Novo is necessarily an immortal, though certainly very powerful in this instance, but the magic of the pearl, in the right claws, can also channel magical boons to others in the user's presence comparable to divine spells. It takes practice and faith and loyalty, channeling another's magic across such a distance, much like a Cleric's devotion.
Chakat Firepaw 29th Mar 2019, 3:53 PM edit delete reply
You don't need a throwback: Mythic characters in Pathfinder can take the ability "Divine Source" which makes you a quasideity, (taking it three times puts you on a par with a minor god).

There is even at least one major NPC who has done all of that and is on the cusp of going from that to full-blown god in the PF1 era of the Golarion setting. He even shows up va gur Erghea bs gur Eharybeqf NC, jurer vg vf erirnyrq gung gur Crnpbpx Fcvevg vf ab yrff guna Knaqretuhy, gur Eharybeq bs Cevqr.
Guest 28th Mar 2019, 8:34 AM edit delete reply
Though the thing is, in D&D 5e lore those demon princes, archdevils and other powerful planar entities are unable to grant Cleric magic to people or gain power from being worshiped, as it is something only the gods are capable of. Though some, like Asmodeus, are both gods and other kinds of beings.

That being said, a Cleric can also get power from a philosophy or ideal. And depending the setting mortals getting the divine spark is certainly possible.

Though, if I ever do a MLP-as-a-5e-campaign thing, I would definitively have Twilight as a Celestial Warlock.
Naimah 29th Mar 2019, 8:01 PM edit delete reply
In the Pathfinder Mythic handbook, any character who gets to Mythic tier 3 or higher can gain the ability to grant spells to clerics. I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that an immortal monarch with a super powerful magic artifact qualifies.
Digo Dragon 28th Mar 2019, 8:33 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
*waves his old-man cane*

Back in the early days of D&D, you could worship yourself, and yes, that still allows you to grant yourself low-level spells too!
Guest 28th Mar 2019, 8:37 AM edit delete reply
Odin did that. Sacrificed himself to himself, got a huge power boost.

Damn munchkin gods.
Mr Wednesday 28th Mar 2019, 5:06 PM edit delete reply
And the world opened to me. It has since closed.
DuoScratch 28th Mar 2019, 2:23 PM edit delete reply
In 5E you can still do that too. There's precedence that mere faith in one's personal code, or own righteousness can manifest divine spells. It's my favorite way to play a paladin.
Zontan 28th Mar 2019, 3:09 PM edit delete reply
Back in the 4th ed game I ran in college, one of my players was a paladin who worshiped his dead wife, since she went super nuts before she died and wrote down a bunch of prophecies that no one understood. I didn't have any problem with it. Heck, it gave me a convenient way to drop plot hooks whenever he consulted his book of prophecies.
Hariman 29th Mar 2019, 12:49 AM edit delete reply
Great. Now I'm waiting for the narcissistic jackwagon cleric that worships themselves.
Gamemaster80 29th Mar 2019, 4:17 AM edit delete reply
Now to make a Johnny Bravo like character that stands in front of a mirror everyday talking to himself as he's brushing his hair and what not as a way of praying for his daily spells. "Oh yeah, look at that beautiful mug. Who's the man? You're the man."
Toric 29th Mar 2019, 6:59 AM edit delete reply
Literally Narcissus
Digo Dragon 28th Mar 2019, 6:21 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
"I think once I actually get into character..."

I totally get you, Fluttershy. Once I can get into my character I can play it up really well and have/be a lot of fun. The trouble starting out is that everyone else is also trying to find their groove. Early sessions tend to turn into shouting matches for the GM's time so that everyone can find their voice and speak it. The GM has to plan their session accordingly to give everyone their 15 minutes of "self-discovery". The danger is that if you don't let the PC get into character they won't have the investment to stick around.

Maybe an idea to try is that before the group's first session the GM does a one-on-one for each player to give them a chance to get into character without fighting for the spotlight. I should try this sometime to see how well it works out.
TheStratovarian 28th Mar 2019, 12:07 PM edit delete reply
My first character was this in 5th. I had no idea about what I wanted. But looking, hearing, and that the game tends to be on the nastier side, took the ultimate defensive character. A barbarian.

Played and found a happy medium, but a few others just ruined things on him for me. Was able to go out on happy terms with him gaining his goal of knighthood.

At least now, im pretty sure im in the caster camp for things, either cleric, sorc, warlock or wizard. But eh, thats me. And i know my tastes.
Draxynnic 29th Mar 2019, 6:21 AM edit delete reply
That's one of the things that turned me off the Pathfinder living campaign. I don't know if it was the system or the players I was playing with, but I was managing to have characters that were approaching retirement level that had never managed to really demonstrate their personality.
Chakat Firepaw 29th Mar 2019, 3:57 PM edit delete reply
It's a common trait of organized play systems: There is almost always a fair amount of pressure towards the numbers being the only thing that matters and optimized tactical play is the One True Way™ to play. Characterization often takes a back seat if not all but ignored.
DuoScratch 28th Mar 2019, 2:25 PM edit delete reply
I couldn't lead a duck to water in real life, but in 2 different campaigns right now, I've been made the defacto leader for getting so into my rolls. In real life, this would make me too uncomfortable to do anything, but in the game, I can lead with confidence.
Rastaba 28th Mar 2019, 6:29 AM edit delete reply
So no ‘easy/practically free’ gold influx thanks to the Apple family business. That’s something at least.
Wulfraed 28th Mar 2019, 6:32 AM edit delete reply
Good thing Applejack didn't get Smolder, or we'd have had a cross-domain exclamation there...

"Of for Pete's" {Dragon}

I'm not awake yet -- does it show?
Wulfraed 28th Mar 2019, 6:33 AM edit delete reply
It shows... That should be "Oh for..."
Guest 28th Mar 2019, 6:47 AM edit delete reply
Now time for the subclasses and backgrounds.

I predict Moon Druid, Thief Rogue, Ancestral Barbarian, Trickery or Light Cleric, Dragon Sorcerer and probably Open Hand Monk (since AJ doesn't seem to feel adventurous enough for Drunken Master).
Digo Dragon 28th Mar 2019, 8:36 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
Part of it is what can Spud work with using the show screen caps. I don't remember Sandbar drinking anything on screen?
Guest 29th Mar 2019, 6:14 AM edit delete reply
You don't need to drink to be a Drunken Master.

I mean, obviously it's funnier if you do, but it's not needed.
Crisis 28th Mar 2019, 5:33 PM edit delete reply
I love archetypes in 5e. There's so many things you can do with it, it gives a great deal of flavor and diversity to the class system, and it's much easier to make a new archetype than a whole new class.
ANW 28th Mar 2019, 7:10 AM edit delete reply
To celebrate MLP going into season 9 (and to allow season 8 enough time to settle down), I think it is time for the battle of the seasons.
I do mean seasons.
Using a deck of 8 cards, I have shuffle and randomized them.
Which was the better season.

We dipped our hoof in with season 1.
We spread the magic of friendship in season 7.

Which will move on, will be falling down the rankings.

In case of a tie, I will be the tiebreaker.
Jennifer 28th Mar 2019, 7:47 AM edit delete reply
OK, since I haven't watched the later seasons... where should I start? Or maybe I should just read to check my reaction to something where I don't know what the plot's going to be - kinda like the way Darths and Droids did Rogue One. Whaddya think?
Cyborg7221 28th Mar 2019, 5:52 PM edit delete reply
I've been reading FiD this whole time with barely any knowledge of the show's canon lore, and it's been great! Don't sweat it, just read and roll with it. Catch up with the show on your own time.
TheStratovarian 28th Mar 2019, 12:12 PM edit delete reply
I rather like that gallus's justification works pretty well mechanically and character wise.

Ocellus as well, though yona here has a fun take. (One ive done personally, and had alot of fun with, sadly retired him in a good way to the group i was with not working out.)

It was a fight over an npc, and he was a step away from walking out of the party because of their actions.

They didn't see it. So I threatened to get the point. They lose their tank. (High ac, High HP, All resistant barbarian.) or they start treating him better.

They did, but well, i'd done the damage.
hankroyd 28th Mar 2019, 12:59 PM edit delete reply
"I think once I actally get into character, I'll be fine..."

OK, that is the most frightening thing I ever read here.
Similar but not the same 28th Mar 2019, 4:37 PM Not Applejack edit delete reply
So... Any story when someone create a "Very similar" character that is not the same character?
Hariman 29th Mar 2019, 12:47 AM edit delete reply

I caught flak from the group's arsehat for creating the same character repeatedly, after the switch from Living Greyhawk to Living Forgotten Realms.

I don't care what that guy thinks anymore, because he really was the group's arsehat.
Wulfraed 29th Mar 2019, 10:21 AM edit delete reply
Well, back in the day, the group I was with was small enough that: a) we tended to run two characters each just to get a reasonable party size (and provide back-up should one character get killed) and b) we had something like 6 characters each at different levels (1-5, 5-9, 9+).

I actually went a whole night playing what I thought was my "old-biddy" magic user... Only to realize at the end I'd been playing the "old geezer" magic user...

Hey... when they're that old, and dress in classical wizard robes, how can one tell?
Winged Cat 29th Mar 2019, 11:48 AM edit delete reply
Winged Cat
A step beyond: the same character who is technically different.

Meet one Star Seeker, Chosen of Journeys, from multiple Exalted campaigns. Except, that's actually several different people in different continuities. Standard look (silver hair, silver eyes, tanned skin), standard base power set, usually a bit of a ditz, pretty similar initial character sheet, differing from there. One leading refugees fleeing a demon-conquered Creation, one (possibly more) up to antics in Yu Shan, one grim and serious helping a crew chase down pirates at sea, one light hearted leading her crew to salvage a ship and go exploring the high seas, one piloting a q-starship "tramp freighter" on secret missions throughout the galaxy (who was reused for a Chuubo's campaign when the multiverse she was in drowned, and she wound up hauling her ship into Town)...

Analogies can be made to Link from the Legend of Zelda series.
zimmerwald1915 28th Mar 2019, 8:28 PM edit delete reply
I broadly agree with these picks. Even Sandbar. He has so little character, you could make him anything.
Akouma 29th Mar 2019, 5:35 AM edit delete reply
So I hate to be that guy going "YoU gOt ThEiR cHaRaCtErS wRoNg," but if Silverstream is a caster channeling power through her monarch and the artifact of immense power in that monarch's possession, wouldn't Warlock be a better thematic fit than Cleric?
Draxynnic 29th Mar 2019, 7:02 AM edit delete reply
D&D and its spinoffs have always been fuzzy enough about power sources that, with the exception of classes which explicitly draw their power from training and/or study, it's usually just a matter of which powerset do you want the character to have. There's really nothing that warlock offers thematically that a themed sorcerer, maybe with a few spells that suit the theme added, couldn't do, for example.

In Silverstream's case, her cleric ability could come from her own faith. Or the artifact might itself be a repository of divine power. Or Queen Novo might actually be a demigod in her own right (Celestia, Luna, and Discord all have powers normally associated with divinity, after all). Or it might be none of those, but the powers of the artifact are such that a cleric's powerset is a better fit than a more arcane-oriented class.
Toric 29th Mar 2019, 7:00 AM edit delete reply
Gratz on 1200 Newbiespud
evileeyore 31st Mar 2019, 1:44 PM Names edit delete reply
So we have a Bard/Rogue named 'chicken' and a Druid named 'simple eye'.

Yup, good times...
HSDclover 31st Mar 2019, 3:32 PM edit delete reply
Has anyone ever had that thing where they found out the one character archetype that they keep accidentally doing?

For me its the Eldritch Knight archetype. Playing a bard in pathfinder? Go deep on the support build and defenses, then stand in the middle of everything and tank it while throwing out hit, damage, and AC bonuses so my friends finish things up with my buffs.

Playing a 3.5 gestalt campaign? Combat Wizard ACF for fighter feats and Thug Fighter with Stealthy ACF to play the good ol' Fighter/Mage/Thief. Turn into a hydra with fighter levels and sneak attack.

Playing a rogue? Arcane Trickster my way to melee victory.

Playing an enchanter wizard? Turns out a lot of my abilities want me to be in melee range, better get some good armor to make it worthwhile.

Playing a Warforged wizard? I'm secretly a paladin now.