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Newbiespud 8th Sep 2020, 6:00 AM edit delete
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I had to do research for this "If there's any reason for these two to not be wed, speak now or forever hold your peace" bit, because it only comes up in movies and I could not fathom the last time it had ever come up seriously. Turns out it was already outdated in the last century when news travels fast enough that anyone holding a legal objection could reasonably raise it months in advance. And jokingly raising an objection - while a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity - is in very poor taste for obvious reasons.

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19 Comments:

Digo 8th Sep 2020, 6:38 AM edit delete reply
If Twi weren't so clodding nuts in this episode, she could have gone to Celestia or Luna in secrecy and asked them to do some magic spywork or something. But alas, she was too wound up to make a logical case.
Ransom 8th Sep 2020, 7:43 AM edit delete reply
Indeed! She made a bit of a fool of herself, and although she turns out to be right in the end, I definitely agree her emotions at seeing her brother being taken away by someone clouded her logic.
Mabbz 8th Sep 2020, 6:50 AM edit delete reply
See, when I got married, the vicar told me during rehearsal that if someone does object (even as a joke) during the actual ceremony, they legally have to pause the wedding and take them to one side to hear their argument and get them to sign something. Maybe that's just a church of England thing though.
Sensei Le Roof 8th Sep 2020, 7:35 AM edit delete reply
I thought their thing was "cake or death".
Hariman 8th Sep 2020, 6:32 PM edit delete reply
That's the Spanish Inquisition... but they're not as surprising as they once were.
rmsgrey 12th Apr 2022, 11:39 AM edit delete reply
There are two sides to marriage - there's the religious aspect and there's the legal aspect. For the Church of England, the two are intertwined, and marriages performed by an Anglican vicar in England in the normal course of their duties are legally binding contracts as well as religious ceremonies.

The requirement to confirm that there is no legal impediment to the marriage is part of the legal process. If anyone claims that there is a reason why the marriage contract would be an illegal contract, of course that claim has to be investigated, and resolved, before the contract can be signed. Of course, it could be that the objection is not legally relevant, in which case there'd be no legal reason the wedding couldn't go ahead - though there could be personal or spiritual ones.
Jennifer 8th Sep 2020, 6:54 AM edit delete reply
Maybe I'm missing something. Why does the DM say "Phew, got it in one" in the last panel?
Sensei Le Roof 8th Sep 2020, 7:34 AM edit delete reply
"I object" is part of the plan.
Boris Carlot 8th Sep 2020, 10:51 AM edit delete reply
It was a dramatic moment set up as subtly as waving a sign going "ENTER THE SCENE NOW". It would be a poor show if she missed her cue.
Achtungnight 8th Sep 2020, 6:56 AM edit delete reply
The Baptist preacher who performed my wedding ceremony refused to include the whole asking for objections bit, even though I thought it mandatory. My wife thought I was nuts for stressing the issue so I dropped it. Still think it was important 10 years later though. Movies have stressed it that much!
Chakat Firepaw 11th Sep 2020, 9:03 AM edit delete reply
While movies have made a big deal of it, the purpose of that whole "speak now or forever..." bit has been taken up by whatever government body is handling the marriage license.

The whole point of it was a final asking of "does the law say this marriage is illegal?" IOW, it's "are either of these two already married or are they close relatives?"
Kuraimizu 8th Sep 2020, 7:37 AM edit delete reply
Historically, the objection part of the ceremony was really only utilized by nobles. For peasants weddings only included family relatives and close friends. Nobles would usually invite a large amount of other nobles, and the upper class. And if the nobles and upper class are famous for anything, it's secrets, lies, infidelity, and illegitimate children. Basically if another noble knew a big enough secret of the bride or groom, he could object to the marriage, reveal the secret and the engagement would be over. Such secrets could be held as blackmail, to force a favour or reimbursement. Or a secret could be revealed by a rival nobel stopping the wedding, while allowing the rival to steal the bride, and marry her himself, or have the bride married to his son, or have the groom married to his daughter. Frequently marriages among nobles were used as binding contracts to seal one family to another, using dowry or bride price to transfer money between families, or to ensure permanent business partners between inlaws.
hugh_donnetono 8th Sep 2020, 6:02 PM edit delete reply
I'm a big fan of how they did it at my mom's third wedding: "If anyone here would object to this union, you can leave."
Hariman 8th Sep 2020, 6:31 PM edit delete reply
And here comes the natural 1 on a diplomacy check, followed by a silent/stilled charm person spell on the rest of the party.

Also... my guess was probably wrong. The one I mentioned a page or three ago.
Guest 9th Sep 2020, 12:40 PM edit delete reply
I think that in a modern wedding, being in poor taste is kind of the point for the objecter.
evileeyore 9th Sep 2020, 8:56 PM Objecting to the objections edit delete reply
Every single wedding rehersal I've ever been to someone has made this joke.

Every. Single. One.

Most of the time it's the Best Man. Occasionally the lead Bridesmaid.
Architect Ironturtle 10th Sep 2020, 12:11 AM edit delete reply
I've actually been to a wedding where someone spoke up during the "hold your peace" bit. It was the couple's baby, and they proclaimed a long string of babble at exactly the right moment. It was almost as if on cue, which would be impressive for someone less than a year old at the time. It caused a wave of nervous laughter and held the proceedings up for a bit as the Priest tried to decide whether it counted.
Professor Haystacks 11th Sep 2020, 5:08 PM edit delete reply
Huh, interesting. I'd personally say not as it's not actually an objection. Unless you think baby speak is actually communicating complex ideas, which seems unlikely.
HopeFox 10th Sep 2020, 12:41 AM edit delete reply
I think the only time I've seen the "if anyone objects" used correctly in fiction is in Jane Eyre, with a very real *legal* objection.