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Newbiespud 3rd Jul 2012, 6:00 AM edit delete
The Season 2 episode Dragon Quest is actually the first time I've seen a fantasy setting address the status of younger dragons in a way other than, "Here they are freshly hatched - now let's time-skip to when they're full-grown."

Once you give drakes and dragonlings personalities of their own, a whole world of questions opens up: Do they look up to their reknowned dragon elders? Do they try to follow in their footsteps? Is there the occasional rebellious teenage dragon that rejects its parents' philosophy of pillage and plunder?

Pfft, yeah right.

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Zuche 3rd Jul 2012, 6:18 AM edit delete reply
Left to their own devices, that lot of drakes would make a real Baba O'Rily out of everything.
McBehrer 3rd Jul 2012, 6:23 AM edit delete reply
*got the joke*

Siosilvar 3rd Jul 2012, 7:20 AM edit delete reply
A real Who?
Zuche 3rd Jul 2012, 7:35 AM edit delete reply
Well played.
Your Obedient Serpent 4th Jul 2012, 11:37 AM edit delete reply
Cain 5th Jul 2012, 5:58 AM edit delete reply
you wound me with these puns.
Aeron Nancet 7th Nov 2012, 11:02 PM edit delete reply
Haha! I get it!
Guest 3rd Jul 2012, 6:22 AM edit delete reply
What about Ann McCaffrey? She's sorta the first thing I think of when I think of dragons. She only has 24 books written on the subject. And her dragons most definitely have growth stages other than fully grown and newly hatched.

Of course you could argue that it's a science-fiction setting not a fantasy setting. But point being it's dragons, does the fact that they are in a science-fiction setting really make a difference? (Probably)
Newbiespud 3rd Jul 2012, 6:49 AM edit delete reply
Mmm, Dragonriders of Pern. True story: I think it's been almost a decade since I last read one of those books. Around the same time I read through several works of David Eddings (the Belgariad, the Mallorean, and the Elenium) and Raymond Feist (no idea). And about a million other fantasy novels.

I can't remember any but the vaguest details in any of them.
Digo 3rd Jul 2012, 6:56 AM edit delete reply
I think I only read one of the books... the one where the colonists first arrived. That was like... 15 years ago?
Kris_The_Guest 3rd Jul 2012, 9:04 AM edit delete reply
Well, the dragons can travel through time in that series.
UnfairAdvantage 3rd Jul 2012, 9:19 AM edit delete reply
* Anne McCaffrey

Sorry, just had to say. I'm a good friend of her son's, and her granddaughter's.
I'm actually IN the newer books as a girl named Bekka. I'm pretty sure there's more than 24 now.

Not only do they show dragons' life stages in that series, but they also give detailed explinations of many powers, such as breathing fire just being a dragon chewing firestone. Then there's also the choice of whether to breathe fire, or be able to reproduce.

There's a lot of differences in that series, and to some extent, some people don't even consider them dragons anymore.
Mookie~ 3rd Jul 2012, 4:06 PM edit delete reply
Actually, the whole firebreathing vs. reproduction was a myth. The Gold(mother) dragons were never able to breath fire, because of how they were genetically engineered from the fire-lizards. Both gold and green fire-lizards can chew firestone as well as reproduce, it was just put about that the Gold dragons would be the queens, in charge of bearing young so the geneticist took out the fire-breathing from the golden dragons, and took out reproduction from the greens in order to counter risk of overpopulation as well as poor genetic stock, since the green females are much smaller than the golds...

Yeah~ I spent most of high-school reading and re-reading the books. I know my stuff~ But everything else you say is on-point.

(Posted on wrong comment. >.<)
Appkes 4th Jul 2012, 12:51 PM edit delete reply
Hang on, the reason Greens don't hatch eggs is because of the Firestone as I remember. It's just the golds that can't chew if they want to reproduce.
Chakat Firepaw 3rd Jul 2012, 5:07 PM edit delete reply
The Temeraire books also cover dragons who are growing up, in fact a chunk of His Majesty's Dragon is about Temeraire himself growing up and Throne of Jade includes dragons who are still in school.

Not to mention how many times the subject of juvenile dragons has been covered in various D&D products, ranging from multiple descriptions of what they are normally like growing up to old Dragon Magazine articles about hatching and raising the dragon eggs you just orphaned[1].

Then there are all the times I've seen non-professional writers it.

[1] At least one of which dates from the days of blue box D&D.
Chakat Firepaw 3rd Jul 2012, 5:14 PM edit delete reply
s/writers it/writers cover it/
Valengarde 3rd Jul 2012, 6:18 PM edit delete reply
I suppose E. E. Knight had a decent level of... how would it be said? Dragon physiology? Something to that effect, I don't know words.

Anyway, yeah, Age of Fire series.
Calypso 3rd Jul 2012, 10:39 PM edit delete reply
Ohhh mygod... I am so sorry, everyone who loves this series, but I hate it so much... All the characters are flat, and dragons are OP and I rarely got worried at all. No climax. Just suck.(that came out wrong, keeping it >.<) I just feel like the plot of these books has no suspense or danger. Never cared much for the characters. Maybe there wasn't enough death to spice it up? Perhaps I don't remember the death because I never cared about the characters. SORRY if you love it. It is just one of those too long series where there is only one book worth reading in the whole thing, and there are so many books the author(s) have no choice but to recycle plots. Recycling plots is more Redwall, actually, Dragonriders of Pern never had a strong plot to begin with. There is maybe one decent book in the series, the first one, probably.
Zeeth 4th Jul 2012, 5:10 AM edit delete reply
The Dragonrider books were about the people and the premise, not so much the action. A lot of sci-fi is like this, except focusing on action over people; but the premise is god in so many of these stories.
Chakat Firepaw 5th Jul 2012, 8:55 PM edit delete reply
Both Pern and the later books in the Talent series have something which tends to confuse some readers.

They aren't about the fight against thread/the Hivers, they are about the people fighting thread/the Hivers.
Greywander 4th Jul 2012, 10:15 AM edit delete reply
Funny you should mention Redwall. I remember thinking about what other fantasy settings not only completely lack humans, but had sapient animals as the civilized races inhabiting the world, and Redwall came to mind. Been a while since I read any of them, but I remember enjoying them as a kid.
Ranubis 3rd Jul 2012, 6:23 AM edit delete reply
Smaug: "Yes, Garble, I know that my sister left you and your friends here to 'visit' me for the weekend, but for Bahamut's sake I'm trying to take a nap! Why don't you go scare off those ponies trying to climb my mountain, or whatever."
Zuche 3rd Jul 2012, 6:29 AM edit delete reply
"These little angels? I'm sure they'll be no problem."
Cain 3rd Jul 2012, 8:59 AM edit delete reply
"And what about the Hobbit and Dwarfs?"
Smaug: "They are harmless midgets, leave them."
Chakat Firepaw 3rd Jul 2012, 5:16 PM edit delete reply
"There's also a traveling musician of some sort."
Jason Shadow 3rd Jul 2012, 6:53 PM edit delete reply
Jason Shadow
~"Sneak, sneak, sneak, sneak up on the slumbering dragon!"~
Greywander 4th Jul 2012, 10:17 AM edit delete reply
~"Run, run, run, run from the angry dragon!"~
"Elan, you're not helping!"
LoganAura 5th Jul 2012, 7:58 AM edit delete reply
~Get get get the oots refrence!~
Nat1 -_-
Lyntermas 3rd Jul 2012, 6:37 AM edit delete reply
One thing about dragon stages is wondering how Spike's "greed growth" factors into it. Is that how wingless dragons grow? Or is it that Spike's definition of "loot" differs from other dragons?

Not to mention the unfortunate implication that, regardless of "nuture", all dragons are essentially destined to be jerks.
BadHorse 3rd Jul 2012, 6:55 AM edit delete reply
Nuh-uh! Not Sean Connery! DragonHeart, I mean. Not actual Sean Connery...
Digo 3rd Jul 2012, 12:18 PM edit delete reply
Thank you.
I mean, for using a good example that isn't "Pete's Dragon".
Digo 3rd Jul 2012, 6:59 AM edit delete reply
Very good question! Is the greed issue something that not all dragons face? The teen dragons in Dragon Quest seemed just to be jerks so...?

Though Spike's "loot" may be simply an issue of Ponyville not containing a large amount of shiny gems and treasures.
helpfulcommenter 3rd Jul 2012, 10:28 PM edit delete reply
Well, not ALL of them. Crackle looked friendly, if a bit out of it (and mentally challenged).
Sam Hunter 3rd Jul 2012, 7:43 AM edit delete reply
Well I always saw it that way : there is a magic, greed induced accelerated growth to allow a dragon to protect his hoard, but which also render him more savage; and there is a normal, natural growth that doesn't erase his personality.
LoganAura 3rd Jul 2012, 7:48 AM edit delete reply
That is now my headcanon.
Thousand Year Sunrise 3rd Jul 2012, 7:53 AM edit delete reply
"Headcannon" is my MLP/Talking Heads mash-up cover band.
HMorris73 3rd Jul 2012, 11:25 AM edit delete reply
Do they do a Pinkie Pie version of Psycho Killer?
Dr. Klaus 3rd Jul 2012, 5:40 PM edit delete reply

In other news, I just read the Dragons Supplement for 4e. That book has soooooo much in there, I can't recall most of it.
The Guest 3rd Jul 2012, 9:45 AM edit delete reply
I always assumed the greed-delirium was a temporary symptom of the onset of puberty, and adult dragons simply kept their kids in check during that time. Plus, dragons start hoarding from infancy, so they're used to the urges. Spike was just caught off guard.
DanielLC 3rd Jul 2012, 11:15 AM edit delete reply
"Not to mention the unfortunate implication that, regardless of 'nuture', all dragons are essentially destined to be jerks."

Spike isn't a jerk. He has growth problems because of it, but he still doesn't have to be one.

Besides, it's not like humans aren't messed up in their own way. We're not usually jerks to people nearby, but that doesn't stop us from hoarding enough loot to save someone's life on another continent. (It costs about $2000, if you're wondering:
Digo 3rd Jul 2012, 12:20 PM edit delete reply
Oh hey, that's a good point-- When Spike stopped and realized he wasn't originally greedy, he reverted back to his small self.
So maybe the whole "growing greed" issue really is a dragon growing up phase and can be reversed?
Thousand Year Sunrise 3rd Jul 2012, 7:52 AM edit delete reply
Lyntermas is right. The canon is a little fuzzy on that, although I do like Sam Hunter's theory.

One thing I really like about FiM is the dragons. I love how the whole "sleeping on gold" aspect of the mythology was expanded into "eating gemstones."

Also, in case anyone missed this link when I posted it on the previous comic or when it was apparently linked in their chat group, I did a piece of art for Stairc's Pony Tales roleplaying game.

If you like my art, I do take requests!
Digo 3rd Jul 2012, 8:24 AM edit delete reply
I can dig the eating gemstones thing. It's like us on a pile of our favorite cookies. I mean, who wouldn't go for that? :D

you do the pony legs better than I. Nicely done.
Karilyn 3rd Jul 2012, 12:34 PM edit delete reply
Since you don't feel like coloring it, I'm highly tempted to ask for the psd, but yeah, dunno okay ^^:
Thousand Year Sunrise 3rd Jul 2012, 12:37 PM edit delete reply
I have the psd if you'd like. I can try to figure out how to make it downloadable on Deviantart.
Thousand Year Sunrise 3rd Jul 2012, 12:53 PM edit delete reply
There we go. I'd love to see what you or somebody else does with it!

Incidentally, I forgot to ask; Do you and the other members of the RP like my drawing?
Oblivious 3rd Jul 2012, 11:54 PM edit delete reply
We really like it, and would love to see more when you're not so busy. The only actual problem seems to be that you possibly confused Inky for a colt and not a mare. Other than that, great job!
Thousand Year Sunrise 4th Jul 2012, 7:06 PM edit delete reply
I knew that she was a mare, it's just a tomboyish haircut.
Oblivious 4th Jul 2012, 7:58 PM edit delete reply
Wasn't the haircut, it was the coltish browline, but again minor thing. Nit picking at worst.
Cain 5th Jul 2012, 5:56 AM edit delete reply
yes, it's an amazing photo. Nice job. But... Does Ra's character have a mullet? It looks like it which would give the thought that he has a hidden wild side.
Stairc 5th Jul 2012, 9:54 AM edit delete reply
Love it indeed. Thanks so much for this Thousand-Year. Definitely makes me want to check out your other work.
Thousand Year Sunrise 3rd Jul 2012, 8:02 AM edit delete reply
Another thing I forgot to mention; I'm actually surprised and interested to see where this is going, with adding in the drakes as extra opponents. It will definitely make the campaign more interesting for Rainbow Dash.
Lyntermas 3rd Jul 2012, 8:40 AM edit delete reply
I don't know if they'll encounter them again on this mountain. It's more likely to give Twilight, Rainbow Dash, and Rarity some context if Newbiespud does "Dragon Quest".

Alt-script time!
TS: Rarity, if we're going to dragon territory, we'll need a disguise. Can you whip something up?
RY: Of course, darlings. I think I'll try a design similar to the Chinese new year dragon costumes.
DM: Roll for Disguise.
RY: *Roll*...Natural 1!?!
DM: Due to your skill in clothing design, the disguise is...usable. However, it more resembles a costume for a elementary school play than an actual dragon.
RY: *sigh* I'll draw something up.
RY: Oh, no! Spike's going to be crushed by those horrid brutes. We have to help him.
RD: Rarity, I've SEEN your drawing. They'll peg us for phonies in five seconds!
TS: We have to try. Alright, girls, move forward.
DM: The three of you approach the ring of dragons. Your appearance gains some stares from a few.
TS: I...*ahem* I challenge Spike to a tail wrestle!
Garble: Who's this weirdo?
Purple dragon: I think he's Crackle's cousin.
DM: Up on a ledge you see a large, green dragon with two purple horns, lazy eyes, a forked tongue sticking out of his mouth, gems sticking out of his hide, and 8 tiny feet.
Crackle: Darr!
RD:...You really wanted this to work, didn't you, DM?
Zuche 3rd Jul 2012, 8:53 AM edit delete reply
Saw where this was going. Loved every second of the trip. You steer your dialogue well, Lyntermas.
Raxon 3rd Jul 2012, 10:08 AM edit delete reply
I second that. You write some good stuff.
The Guest 3rd Jul 2012, 9:49 AM edit delete reply
Rolled a 1 for Disguise, a 20 on Sheer Dumb Luck. Or did Twilight cast Contrived Coincidence?
kriss1989 3rd Jul 2012, 5:24 PM edit delete reply
One of my characters actually has 5 ranks of Luck. I am not kidding.
Bronymous 3rd Jul 2012, 9:55 AM edit delete reply
Crackle is Best Everything.
Raxon 3rd Jul 2012, 10:10 AM edit delete reply
I wonder if Crackle is to dragons as Derpy is to ponies... That could result in Crackle making little background appearances later on, when dragons are shown.
Boden King 3rd Jul 2012, 10:44 AM edit delete reply
That is the best idea ever.
Zuche 3rd Jul 2012, 10:56 AM edit delete reply
I agree.
Ranubis 3rd Jul 2012, 2:36 PM edit delete reply
Zarhon 3rd Jul 2012, 8:15 AM edit delete reply
The dragons are one of the weirder things to figure out in MLP. Season 1 played them much like their D&D equivalent (Having a hoard, being omnivorous, etc...), while season 2 added greed-growth, jerk-teen dragons, and whatever the hell Crackle is.

I'm thinking that the greed-growths are something inherent only in dragon babies, due to them being unable to curb their greed due to their (mentally) young age. If he was with his peers, they'd probably fight/steal from each other constantly and keep that greed in check through competition.

It's a bit similar to Pound & Pumpkin Cake suddenly gaining super flying skills and a magic surge, respectively. They probably grow out of it eventually (If Scootaloo is any indication).

(Delaying campaign update for a few more hours, to let more comments through)
Zuche 3rd Jul 2012, 9:07 AM edit delete reply
I got the impression that Spike's situation was exceptional by virtue of Twilight's interference in the natural cycle. He experienced a lifetime of growth within seconds of hatching. He might be incapable of normal development now, for good and ill.

If we'd ever seen other baby dragons, we might have a better idea. Then again, it may be that the "teens" we saw were what happened to normal hatchlings naturally hatched in the wild. You've heard about people having to grow up rather quickly? It might be literal for baby dragons.
The Guest 3rd Jul 2012, 9:52 AM edit delete reply
Considering Zecora knew what was going on, it can't be that rare an occurence. Check out the comment I made higher up.
Raxon 3rd Jul 2012, 10:16 AM edit delete reply
I dunno, I think they're more similar to D&D dragons in season 2. They come in a full spectrum, they clearly have many different temperaments, and there are several very (physiologically)different types. This would suggest a diverse array of subspecies.
Thousand Year Sunrise 3rd Jul 2012, 10:18 AM To "The Guest" edit delete reply
It might be easier to check out your comments if you put in a name.
The Guest 4th Jul 2012, 5:12 PM edit delete reply
My name is "The Guest". Surprisingly, I'm the only one using it. *watches as dozens of impersonaters appear*
Azureink 3rd Jul 2012, 9:41 AM edit delete reply
Soaring Song gets all the fillies.

Oh, and I would be up to being a spectator... and possible NPC/cameo?
Oblivious 3rd Jul 2012, 9:58 AM edit delete reply
Possibly, ask Stairc.
Stairc 3rd Jul 2012, 10:19 AM edit delete reply
Sure, sounds good to me. Definitely spectator and we can probably work out an NPC cameo too.
Azureink 3rd Jul 2012, 12:04 PM edit delete reply

Did you get the email asking about the spectator position?
Thousand Year Sunrise 3rd Jul 2012, 7:30 PM edit delete reply
I'd also be interested in spectating sometime.
Stairc 5th Jul 2012, 11:46 AM edit delete reply
Sweet. Email me at
Bronymous 3rd Jul 2012, 9:58 AM edit delete reply
You would figure Rainbow dash would be upset by this turn of events. She's the only one who has been desperate to fight something this whole time, and then the DM drops a load of bad guys on the druid. I would be quite put off by that.
Kris_The_Guest 3rd Jul 2012, 9:59 AM edit delete reply
Well, they're gonna have to fight a full grown dragon next.
Bronymous 3rd Jul 2012, 10:03 AM edit delete reply
Hmmmm, doubtful. Rainbow will attack the dragon, but as for a fight?

That raises a good point. In the first and second episode (comic-wise, of course), Twilight's character broke rails and surprised everyone with how to defeat NMM. I wonder if this time they'll pull off something similar, or if it'll play out like the show. PREDICTION TIME!!!
LoganAura 3rd Jul 2012, 10:21 AM edit delete reply
Rails go bye bye. It's the player equivilant of "Rocks fall Everyone dies". I calligng "Rails torn. DM cries."
Lyntermas 3rd Jul 2012, 10:47 AM edit delete reply
Natural 20 on Intimidate?

I think Newbiespud isn't going to deviate drastically from the show (i.e. They kill the dragon). But he doesn't have to. What's interesting about campaign comics is that they generally follow the plot of their shows, but add a twist:

DM of the Rings - Exact same plot, but characters are dragged kicking and screaming
Darths and Droids - The players have the same events occur with totally different contexts.
One Piece 3.5 - Over the top villains are the DM's desperate attempt to counterbalance Luke's and Cory's broken characters.
Friendship is Magic - The players have the same wacky personalities as their characters.

As Zuche said, "Saw where this was going. Loved every second of the trip."

edit: If you mean whether the DM meant for it to happen...yeah, probably not.
Zarhon 3rd Jul 2012, 11:32 AM edit delete reply
A similar thing was done with "Friendship is Betrayal" (Warning: Grimdark/Bloody) (Which isn't actually a campaign comic, but it's pretty similar in comic style to them). The plot differs from the original in rather creative ways (e.g. graphic, bloody hydra murder!), since all the characters are pretty much murderous paranoid sociopaths.

I don't get the DM's mentality on the seperate paths though. Four ponies go up a mountain, unhindered by anything other than prone-inducing shockwaves, thus arriving there faster, while AJ and FS get to fight (and lose to) a pack of dragons on the already longer path.

As for predictions: Cutie mark critical success ("Um, Dragons are animals, right"?), possibly after some ability that triggers off allies getting bloodied/KO'd.

Or Fluttershy serving as a distraction while Rarity flanks it and murders it with something she hid up till now.
Lyntermas 3rd Jul 2012, 11:45 AM edit delete reply
I think the theory behind the seperate paths was so the party could choose what threats to face. Granted, the steady incline and the 2-foot gap are no-brainers, but I think there might have been an alternative threat if the ponies hadn't gone through Avalanche Way.
Azureink 3rd Jul 2012, 1:09 PM edit delete reply
Just went and read "Friendship is Betrayal" through from the beginning. Looks like we have another favorite.
Dr. Klaus 3rd Jul 2012, 6:19 PM edit delete reply
Holy shit

That comic is F***ing awesome
Dr. Klaus 3rd Jul 2012, 6:21 PM edit delete reply
Oh, and as for what you said about Rarity hiding something? It's probably that sea serpent's scale.
Zarhon 3rd Jul 2012, 1:12 PM edit delete reply
Campaign time!

Everybody gathers as Skitter empties the bag, arranging all of it's contents neatly for all to see. In addition to the stuff that spilled out of the bag earlier, he pulls out:

-A semi-large, empty, iron, two-part cylinder, with a cloth covering one of the cylinders. Several switches and a valve are on its bottom.
-A cork-sealed jug, containing some kind of potion.

Perception checks

Cylinder, jug, bubbling cushioned potion
Horizon -> 16 + 5 = 21 -> Success

Using his alchemical knowledge, Horizon quickly deduces the following:
- The empty cylinder is alchemical in nature, and capable of containing extremely hot or cold liquids, similar to a boiler. The cloth is probably there to allow for carrying it without touching it's scalding surface.
- The potion inside the jug isn't volatile (The jug isn't a safe container for such liquids) or acidic (The cork isn't sizzling from the liquid).
- The bubbling, cushioned-crate potion is air-tight sealed and vacuumed: Whatever is inside the potion is likely to chemically react once exposed.

Skitter -> 7+8 = 15 Success

Skitter notices a small white rune hidden on the backside of two of the scrolls. He's seen it's type before: It's a trap rune, designed to set off should anyone try to tamper with the seal without a specific tool. The seal itself, you now recognize, is actually a mix of congealed blood and wax. The rune-trapped scroll seals feature wizard symbols.

Skitter -> 5+8=13 Success

You recognize a few of the symbols that adorn the robe as necromantic. Several of them, in fact, are symbols used by intelligent undead creatures (e.g. vampires) to refer to their undead kin. This symbol is identical to the seal of the un-trapped scrolls. You also find the remains of a half-eaten rat in one of the pockets. This particular robe probably belonged to a kobold, on account of it's size.

3xrolls -> 12, 4, 18

You determine the following:
- It's not heavy, however it's weight feels strange, as if shifting.
- Nothing is moving inside of it, on it's own.
- You can hear a soft squelchy sound as you move it around.
- It's semi-airtight, similar to a barrel.

Shining Gem
3x Rolls: 3, 1, 18

Tiffany is too transfixed by the gem's shinyness to notice anything relevant. Skitter decides to lick the gem, causing a minor magical reaction, similar to licking a battery cell. Horizon examines the gem a bit more thoroughly (having wiped it clean first, of course):
-It's clearly magical in some fashion.
-The shining is probably to keep it from getting lost, due to its small size.
-It's cloudy, similar to rough, non-transparent glass.
-It's shaped/cut in a way that allows it to be easily held with two fingers.
-One of it's edges is slightly rougher than the rest, as if chipped.

3xrolls -> 8, 12, 9

-The amulet is on a long, silver chain, designed to wear on the neck.
-It has a silver casing and a large, blood-red gem in the middle.
-The gem is precisely cut and transparent, reflecting light shined onto in a red hue.
-It's obviously magical - it's warm to the touch and adorned with fanciful arcane symbols.

Powder Pouch
3x roll -> Nat20, 3, 16

Tiffany immediately recognizes the powdery substance. She demonstrates by taking a handful of it, rubing it on a rock, then throwing it onto a nearby wall, causing it to stick to it. She explains that it's a powder that sticks to metallic and mineral objects like glue. She knows this, as she was once subjected to a prank involving her heavy armor being glued to the roof of her room.

(You can try to "solve the mystery" by experimenting or tampering with the various items (tell me exactly what you do with each item however), or make a plan of action regarding the robed figures.)
Kris_The_Guest 3rd Jul 2012, 1:31 PM edit delete reply
"Well, this could be part of an elaborate prank." Tiffany muttered, grimacing when she remembered that prank that her uncle had pulled on her. It took her a few hours to get it off the roof.

Me : Bad luck Tiffany is useful for once!
Tiffany : ....*whacks me on the head*
Me : Oww....
Zarhon 3rd Jul 2012, 2:04 PM edit delete reply
(Heading off earlier today, exam.)
Kris_The_Guest 3rd Jul 2012, 2:06 PM edit delete reply
Right. Also, I think the pendant is a plactary. I didn't have Tiffany mention up because how would she know about it.
Lyntermas 3rd Jul 2012, 2:06 PM edit delete reply
Well, obviously I can't examine the items myself, but if I'm "sitting at the table", I should be able to discuss.

Ramsus, if you can Disarm Trap those scrolls, that could be useful. Otherwise, you can use the robe to sneak among the cultists and get some information.

As for my theories, I think the crate contains some sort of bodily organ. I have a nasty theory that either the gem or the amulet is a phlactery, but I don't know how one would confirm that.

Edit: Ninja'd. I think either Skitter or Rolf would know what a phylactery is, but I'm hoping the scrolls will give some information. And if they mention "need to secure the master's host"...well, I'm sure you'll figure it out.
Kris_The_Guest 3rd Jul 2012, 2:12 PM edit delete reply
Tiffany : *shudders*
Me : ....Yeah... 'Master's host' does not sound pleasant.
Zarhon 3rd Jul 2012, 2:37 PM edit delete reply
(Hmm, I probably should have mentioned / clarified earlier: The pair of robed figures from before that entered the crowd had a sack of their own. Updated earlier descriptions of them.)
Bronymous 3rd Jul 2012, 2:40 PM edit delete reply
Well then, I guess I will be an Alchemist.
I'm going to be leaving in a little bit, as well.

Horizon looks over the alchemical pieces again, before looking back to the temple, and the crowd within. "Well, these are interesting toys, but without a little more information I don't think we can solve this puzzle." He turns back to Skitter. "I don't suppose it would do any good to ask if you know who they belong to?"

edit: yes, yes you should have mentioned that. rewriting.
Zarhon 3rd Jul 2012, 2:54 PM edit delete reply
( I thought you were an alchemist due to your alchemist's fire usage. :3 Technically, Skitter would be an alchemist due to trained poison use. Maybe we should clarify some profession skills to avoid confusion later? )
Kris_The_Guest 3rd Jul 2012, 3:03 PM edit delete reply
Uhhh, Tiffany might become a paladin later on but I will play her as a smart paladin, not one of those stupid ones that want to smite everything that might be remotely evil. (I'm looking at you, evil paladin dwarf in Goblins.)
Lyntermas 3rd Jul 2012, 3:15 PM edit delete reply
Wait, if our sack has a cylinder and a potion, and the cultists have a similar sack...

I hypothesize that the potion is a type of sleeping powder that can be released into the air by the cylinder (like a pressure cannon). Somebody needs to determine what was in the cork-sealed jug, since it seems likely that whatever it is, the cultists will use it here and now.
Ramsus 3rd Jul 2012, 3:18 PM edit delete reply
After Tiffany told him her name, Skitter felt it would be rude of him not to respond in kind. "A pleasure to meet you Tiffany." He stood up straight, head held up regally (or at least as regally as a Kobold can manage), and said, "I am Sir Kant Isaac Tesla Tzu Escher Rayleigh. Most of the peasantry found it simpler to call me Skitter though, and you have my permission to do so as well."

(Profession....hmm. Well in my head Skitter is still a 4th ed character but, sure. I guess....Apothecary/Alchemist? Because....yeah. Poisons.

And yes there is a story to go with the name. =P )
Kris_The_Guest 3rd Jul 2012, 3:26 PM edit delete reply
"O-okay." Tiffany was a little flabbergasted.
Was he a prince? Only princes in fairy tails had names that long.

Ah, a profession for Tiffany? Give me a minute to look it up.
(Also, I think maybe Tinychat would be better as it might give a 'table' feel.)
Ramsus 3rd Jul 2012, 3:40 PM edit delete reply
Can Skitter use Disarm Trap on the scrolls? If so he will but, it seems like this is a puzzle sort of thing not a skill check sort.
Bronymous 3rd Jul 2012, 3:44 PM edit delete reply
We're getting all jumbled here. Ima throw my stuff out there:

Originally, I was going to have him craft simple, sometimes improvised weapons. When you first hinted at Alchemy, I then thought I would give him enough alchemical training for Alchemist's Fire, as well as other volatile mixtures (Exploding powder, etc.), and how to use them. Since this happened, I can expand that to general alchemical training with a focus on the dangerous stuff. So lets do medium ranks in Alchemical lore, medium potions making, and high crafting of AF and the like.

Anything else backstory related is being developed.

Also, I'm heading out now, so I I'll be able to continue in a couple hours, but not before.
Ramsus 3rd Jul 2012, 3:50 PM edit delete reply
Hmm ok. Then Skitter will just handle the apothecary stuff. Perfectly fine with me.

Edit: Try not to light fire to the classroom good luck!
Zarhon 3rd Jul 2012, 3:48 PM edit delete reply
( Tinychat has a very limited letter count (90) and blocks multiple messages as spam, even if your the room owner. It would be pretty frustrating to use if we plan to be verbose, especially for me who's supposed to be describing stuff. You could use it to talk amongst yourself, but I can't use it for DMing. )

( Edit: Also, going to sleep now. Wish me luck with exam. )

Lyntermas 3rd Jul 2012, 7:59 PM edit delete reply
Just letting you guys know I'm working tomorrow (don't have access to internet), so I won't be able to respond from 8:00 until 5:30-6ish (Pacific Time).
Zarhon 4th Jul 2012, 3:55 AM edit delete reply
@ Ramsus: You could try disarming the scrolls, but you risk triggering the traps if you fail. You'd have a slight penalty as well, due to it being magical in nature (If Rolf was there, he'd have a bonus or could help you out). And yes, it's a puzzle.

So, want to try to disarm, or should I assume you check out the safe scrolls first?
Bronymous 4th Jul 2012, 10:07 AM edit delete reply
While the others are busy examining the rest of the loot, Horizon places the alchemical cylinder in one of his pouches. He then turns back to the temple entrance. "We'll have plenty of time to look over everything more thoroughly once we're done here. We should head inside; I have a feeling we aren't going to want to miss this play." Horizon then enters the same door as the two robed figures from before.

(Zarhon, I think we need a checkpoint. Everyone is all over the place in these comments, so just sum up where everything is at and we can start clean from there.)
Ramsus 4th Jul 2012, 10:42 AM edit delete reply
Since unnamed male wants to go and Skitter figures he could use a more magical (creepy shadow manipulation stuff doesn't count) sort to deal with the scrolls, he packs everything back up and follows unnamed male.

"What are we gonna play?" he says with a bit of excitement in his voice.
Kris_The_Guest 4th Jul 2012, 11:01 AM edit delete reply
Tiffany followed as well, looking around nervously.
Zarhon 4th Jul 2012, 11:17 AM edit delete reply
- The cylinder is too big for a pouch, it took up the majority of the sack. Think of it as being about as big as a monitor. You'd have to carry it with the sack, which needs at least two hands (a backpack would work to carry it, although it would be dead weight). The rest of the items fit into your pockets / bags / clothes.
- What door? The pair of robed figures went into the theater crowd (with sack). If you mean the temple backdoor, you only saw one guy go through it, sack-less.

Status check:
- You chose not to check out the other two scrolls, for some reason.
- You divided the items amongst yourselves so you can carry them all with you, with Horizon either hauling or hiding the cylinder.
- The three of you went after one of the robed figures through the temple backdoor, entering the temple's priest dormitories (or into the crowd - Horizon, clarify).
- Rolf is still waiting.
Bronymous 4th Jul 2012, 12:36 PM edit delete reply
Ok, check that.

-Sorry, thought you said two doors. We ARE following the two robed figures with the sack into the crowd.
- The cylinder...nevermind. He takes the other alchemical devices (ones that he can carry easily, but leaves the cylinder to be carried in the sack, which is being carried by Skitter.


Horizon pushes his way into the crowd towards the stage, drawing his kukri and keeping it concealed within his cloak. Meanwhile, he continues to scan the crowd for the two men. He does NOT tell the other two what he's looking for yet.
Lyntermas 4th Jul 2012, 5:41 PM edit delete reply
Somebody please read the two easily accessible scrolls (the two scrolls that are not trapped). We need more information if we want to solve this puzzle.
Ramsus 4th Jul 2012, 5:52 PM edit delete reply
We can do that after we meet up with you. It wouldn't make much sense to start following and then go "wait wait stop, I need to read these scrolls right now!"
Lyntermas 4th Jul 2012, 6:10 PM edit delete reply
I suppose the question is if the puzzle is meant to reveal the cultists' long term plan, or just what they plan to do immediately after the play.

If it's the long term plan, I can understand why we can wait.
If it's the immediate plan (i.e. kidnap the poor soul who got polymorphed into a lich and kill all potential witnesses), you might want a heads-up on that.

But I guess that's just me metagaming. If you believe Skitter might have a reason to read the scroll in character (he gets bored of this blatant propaganda piece that demonizes the undead, etc), go right ahead. Otherwise, sit back and enjoy the show.
Zarhon 4th Jul 2012, 6:12 PM edit delete reply
(As far as the puzzles are concerned, they will help you prepare and deal with what lies ahead. You can ignore them, but it would be detrimental (Wasting time and resources to learn what you could have known already) and might have consequences for not identifying a threat in time.)

The three of you enter the crowd. Lots of individuals are about, most of which are watching the theater play. The others are browsing the various market stalls that make up the impromptu theater fence. Horizon is looking for the robed suspects, but the crowd is making it difficult - While the robes do stick out from everyone else due to their bright magenta colors, the presence of other robed individuals (mostly priests, pilgrims, hooded beggars and such), as well as the general congestion of the crowd make it difficult to see anything, other than a myriad of bad hairstyles.

(Skill challenge: You need at least two successful rolls out of six, with a -5 modifier (Negated if you can find a more efficient method of sifting/observing through the crowd). You've got 6 checks total before Rolf's part comes up. If you roll good enough/succeed more than minimum, you'll get an extra benefit.)

Edit: Off to sleep.
LoganAura 4th Jul 2012, 7:03 PM edit delete reply
*Hope you don't mind my helping* That'd be either a spot check, or a tracking check. having one of you stand on the others could get a better view from above, and the small guy could get a better view from below.
Ramsus 4th Jul 2012, 7:14 PM edit delete reply
(@Lyntermas: lol, I'm not sure if vampires get along with liches enough for Skitter to be insulted though.

@LoganAura: You're more than welcome to help out/make commentary/join/bake cookies as far as I'm concerned.

I think our GM there is taking the skill challenge idea from 4th ed where it just ends up being "whatever skill you can think of a good excuse to apply to the situation". I can't think up anything for Skitter to do though without Horizon telling us what it is we're looking for.)

LoganAura 4th Jul 2012, 7:28 PM edit delete reply
*Goes to make cookies in the shape of the Mane 6, Derpy, and the player characters/ponies of the 3 games that have started here.*
Bronymous 4th Jul 2012, 8:55 PM edit delete reply
So, just one shape of cookie then? (they're all ponies, without colors they all look similar)

Horizon has his reasons for not telling. The situation as I (Bronymous, not Horizon) have read it so far is this:
Someone sent those items via kobold courier. Whoever the intended recipient was would have had less than a day to put it all together in preparation for this event. We know the play is anti-undead "propaganda", and we know the items are to be used for a necromantic purpose. Rolf is standing in for a player, so whatever is about to happen here is happening to him, because the original player is the intended target- either they won't know a substitution has been made, or the actor doesn't matter, just the character being played. And ultimately, unless those scrolls spell out what's about to happen in plain English, taking the time to decipher them will give us just enough time to witness everything happen anyway.

Or, the items aren't meant for what's happening here, and that means we will have time afterwards to figure it all out.

Now, having said all of that, this is what Horizon knows:
We have a sack full of interesting items, but no idea for what purpose they are meant. Meanwhile, the play is about to start. Some suspicious characters went in carrying what could be a sack full of related items. As of right now, Horizon and Tiffany are only looking for her werewolf brother (Skitters continued involvement is unknown to him). So, assuming a connection between the necromancer's gear and the two robed men (as well as another that entered the temple before), Horizon's real interest at this point is to see what is about to happen, not necessarily try to learn what it is, or even stop it from happening. This may or may not change, depending on how the situation develops. So for now, he is merely scoping out the crowd, looking for the two targets, while making his way towards the stage for a good vantage point. And he can assume Tiffany is following simply because he promised to help her find her brother- that is their only major objective at this point. He would also assume Skitter only came for his loot bag, and now has no real reason to follow him except out of curiosity.

So that's my motivation/plan of action for now, we'll see how it plays out.

As for the skill challenge, does 4E have the Profession:_____________ skill? Because I can totally pick Profession: Scout/Soldier, and apply it to like, anything.

Or just roll Perception: its not just limited to vision, but also smell and hearing. I don't have my dice, btw, so someone else roll it out.
Lyntermas 4th Jul 2012, 9:44 PM edit delete reply
I think a breakdown of 4e Professions can be found here:

As for LoganAura's suggestion, it might work if Skitter gets on Tiffany's sholders (Horizon doesn't seem the type of personality to do that). However, the question is whether that will be able to distinguish BETWEEN the different robes the crowd is wearing.

Potential options are:
1) Using Skitter's sense of smell (if the robes give off a particular scent)
2) Skitter putting on the robe to see if it gives him "necro-vision"
Ramsus 4th Jul 2012, 10:12 PM edit delete reply
The major problem is that Skitter (and Tiffany as well) can't help look for people he doesn't even know the he's supposed to be looking for. Horizion is going to have to say something unless he's going to solo the skill challenge.

As for professions, well, I think what the GM is doing isn't really any system in particular. Just a simplified incorporation of D&D stuff. So, we can have things like professions from 3.5 while having stuff like skill challenges from 4th without having to ever worry about the hard number crunching which works very poorly (or at least very slowly) in play by post format. This will also have the nice advantage of allowing us to play characters/do things that are not normally mechanically possible (for example I envision Skitter's Assassin class as being a mix between the kind introduced the 4th ed Dragon Magazines and the Executioner in the Heroes of Shadow book and there's more or less no way to really combine in a "hard" mechanics game.)

Bronymous, here is a dice roller:

And, yeah, Skitter is mostly following along because of curiosity, a lack of any real knowledge of the above ground world, and the fact that this group of people has yet to object to his presence which he's more or less taking for acceptance.
Edit: And the off chance he might get paid to kill a werewolf.
Bronymous 4th Jul 2012, 10:56 PM edit delete reply
I just assumed it was 4E because we were calling them Perception checks, not Spot and Listen Checks. But I actually like that mix idea better, even if I can't necessarily capitalize on it.

So anyway, Rolling (total w/-5 penalty): 6(1), Nat20, 14(9), 10(5), 18(13), 7(2)

I'm betting the 20 works, hopefully that 18 is high enough.

Ramsus 5th Jul 2012, 1:25 AM edit delete reply
Ramsus you did decide to do that whole thing yourself? And....what did you do each time? (And depending on the GM's customs rules you might not be allowed to use the same skill you used the previous turn.) (Basically, as far as I've ever scene Skill Challenges are supposed to be as much RPing as number rolling.

Edit: My preferred custom rules for skill challenges is stolen from a podcast called Critical Hit. You can't use the same skill as you did last turn and you also can't use the same skill the person just before you did either. It makes for a lot less "I also try to see the thing" and more creative skill usage.

Edit 2: Though, heh, I'd be fine with whoever (all of us or just you) using the rolls you've already rolled. Because in the end what does it matter who did the rolling?
Kris_The_Guest 5th Jul 2012, 4:51 AM edit delete reply
*Flails* Too much text as once!

Anyways, I have an Idea. I'm going to send it to Zarhon.
Zarhon 5th Jul 2012, 4:52 AM edit delete reply

Following Horizon, you enter the crowd. Having nothing else to do (As Horizon didn't tell you why you're here, and he seems distracted), you opt to watch the theater play. The whole crowd gasps as the villain is revealed. Wow, that costume looks totally real! This is going to be great!


Bored by the tall-guy's lack of action, you decided to see what this whole theater thing is about. Being too short to actually see anything, you quickly find a beggar and offer him some of your leftover food in exchange for getting a lift on his back. Ok, some guy in golden armor, unrealistic. Threats against the "villain", same old, same old. Hmmm, nice lich costume, but you've seen better. Man, your going to fall asleep if this play doesn't pick itself up soon...


(Nat20 and the 13 are three successes total, so success+benefit)

You start thinking about this in another way. The robed figures went into the crowd with a sack of potentially harmful equipment. There's no way they could utilize any of the stuff out in the open, crowd or not. They'd have to have some kind of cover where they wouldn't get interrupted. With that line of thinking, you start scanning the market stalls and the theater itself. You quickly dismiss the theater, as everyone is looking in it's direction (especially now that the surprisingly well-costumed villain is on-stage). Scanning the market stalls doesn't reveal any robed figures as well, however, you notice that one of the merchants attending it is acting strange...

You also get a hunch. The bad kind. You quickly scan the crowd again. While you were looking through the crowd, some of the guards that were at the crowd's "entrance" vanished... And there are now three, magenta robed figures standing in their place, waiting. None of these have a sack though, so they probably came after you. Son of a...

(You can do some last-minute stuff if you want. You'll be gawking at Rolf's "acting" after that, followed by a series of unfortunate events.)
Kris_The_Guest 5th Jul 2012, 6:41 AM edit delete reply
Tiffany cringed slightly, seeing the acting of the lich. "Wow..." She whispered.
Zarhon 5th Jul 2012, 6:54 AM edit delete reply
(Continuing on next page, as usual, after some comments go through. You can still post any last-minute actions here though)
Bronymous 5th Jul 2012, 9:03 AM edit delete reply
I'll wait. I wasn't sure how else to handle that skill challenge so I just rolled with it. Seems to have worked.

Horizon, realization dawning, smiles. He turns back to the other two (assuming they're still nearby), takes note of their attention on stage, and gets their attention. "Hey, you two? Enjoying the acting? Because it looks like the real show is about to start. Better get that hammer ready, girl." Horizon then turns back to the stage, shifting his Kukri to his off hand, and readying and Alchemit's Fire.
Kris_The_Guest 5th Jul 2012, 9:07 AM edit delete reply
" Uh, okay." Tiffany put a hand on her hammer, ready to take it off.

OMG, I just thought of something funny. Do I have to roll anything if I want to throw the hammer at a bad guy?
Bronymous 5th Jul 2012, 9:18 AM edit delete reply
Oh yeah. That's a BIG penalty to attack roll. Unless you have the "Throw Anything" Feat. (psst! say you have the "Throw Anything" Feat!)
Kris_The_Guest 5th Jul 2012, 9:25 AM edit delete reply
-.- Zarhon will see this.
Bronymous 5th Jul 2012, 9:32 AM edit delete reply
(Not if you put it in parentheses, like this. This means we're whispering and he can't hear us!). Plus who says you don't have that feat. It's not like he can check your character sheet.
Kris_The_Guest 5th Jul 2012, 9:36 AM edit delete reply
(oh, okay.)
Ramsus 5th Jul 2012, 9:43 AM edit delete reply
I have all the feats! Even the race/class restricted ones! Uh....not sure what I'm going to do with Superior Flyby Attack....
Bronymous 5th Jul 2012, 9:48 AM edit delete reply
Its ok, I'll throw you at someone and you can attack as you fly past.
Guest 3rd Jul 2012, 4:25 PM edit delete reply
Hey everypony! I'm a friend of Stairc's, and I have a proposition. To celebrate the success of his new tabletop pony system, I'd like to custom paint some blind bag ponies in the images of your OC's. Originally, I was only going to do this for Stairc's current Skype party, but I can extend it to anypony else if they're interested.

Since the main idea is to give Stairc's party some physical memorabilia to remember their adventure, I'm not looking to make a huge profit off these (though I won't complain if you want to throw more money at me). Prices are negotiable, but I'll probably charge around $5-$10 to cover the base figurine cost and shipping. Alternatively, if you can get me a blind bag to paint, I'll only charge for shipping.

I'll throw an order form together later, there are some details I still need to work out on my end. For now, I'd just like an idea of who all is interested.
Mr.Chair 3rd Jul 2012, 4:28 PM edit delete reply
Aha, found where to make an account. This is Stairc's friend again.
Azureink 3rd Jul 2012, 4:36 PM edit delete reply
"Blind bag ponies."

What are those?
Mr.Chair 3rd Jul 2012, 4:51 PM edit delete reply

Blind Bag ponies are small PVC figurines that stand about 2 inches tall. Unless you order them online, they're kind of hard to find, but from what I understand your best bet is to check at Wal-Mart (blegh) or local comic shops. Along with the Mane 6, they also make a variety of secondary/background ponies, and a good handful that aren't seen in the show. A lot of them are recolors of the Mane 6, but that's kind of a moot point when they're gonna be painted over.

They're called 'blind bags' because they don't explicitly state on the bag which figurine you're going to get... unless you know where to look. There's a faint number imprinted in the corner of each bag, which can be used to determine which pony you'll get. I'll be visiting Tennessee this summer, and If I'm lucky, I'll be able to find a shop that sells them; otherwise I'll just have to snag them online.
reynard61 3rd Jul 2012, 9:27 PM edit delete reply
They're also at Toys 'R' Us in a 12-piece "Collectable Ponies Set":
Mr.Chair 4th Jul 2012, 2:45 AM edit delete reply
Mr.Chair sells specific, individual ponies, with prices varying on the character in question and what wave of blind bags it's from. For instance, Fluttershy costs either $6 from the Purple Wave and $8 from the Pink wave, and a lot of the ones not seen in the show are around $3 a piece. Yknow, if I used some of the background/non-show ponies, it'd probably be cheaper for me to order online in bulk than buying them from a local retailer.

I hope some people say they want one. I'm looking forward to break out my paints again, it's a fun little hobby if you have a steady hand. In the past, I've painted a custom Derpy, a Queen Chrysalis (or at least as close as you can get with just paint), and a small battalion of various D&D minis.
Greywander 4th Jul 2012, 7:21 PM edit delete reply
You know, you might consider getting a deviantArt account if you don't already have one. I'm sure a lot of people would be interested in getting custom blindbags of their OCs. Depending on the cost in materials (paint, I assume) and time, and what you set your commission prices at, you could even turn a tidy profit. With a deviantArt account, you could advertise for commissions and showcase your work.

Sure, it might not be as cool as having a plushie of your OC, but it sounds like it would be a lot cheaper, and a lot less work. At some point you might look into actually modifying the ponies, for example, making show accurate changelings, or other non-pony creatures that have a vaguely equine shape.
Mr.Chair 4th Jul 2012, 8:50 PM edit delete reply
Actually, I've been considering starting a small business this summer making customs, but I'm not quite sure yet if I want to make the commitment. I'm not interested making a profit off this particular batch though, I just want to make something cool for folks since I have the free time and a convenient excuse. Still, if I do start doing general commissions, thanks; I'll keep the dA account in mind.
Oblivious 3rd Jul 2012, 10:30 PM edit delete reply
It'd be kinda cool to have a group of figurines of the party ponies that participant in the campaign; love to see how this turns out.
LoganAura 3rd Jul 2012, 6:52 PM edit delete reply
low post is low.
TO ALL THOSE IN THE GAME I AM RUNNING. OUR CHAT ROOM HAS BEEN MADE. is where it is. If I'm on, I'm going to keep it open because... well I want to talk to you guys outside the game itself.
Malkyn 4th Jul 2012, 2:14 PM edit delete reply
Aww... I missed the chance to be in your game. Oh well. If anyone else has a game open, I might be interested.
LoganAura 4th Jul 2012, 2:57 PM edit delete reply
Malk, if you can roll up a ranger earth pony, you'll be the understudy. I haven't heard from Mountian's player in a while. If he doesn't reply by... Monday, you can take his place.
Malkyn 4th Jul 2012, 5:23 PM edit delete reply
Sweet! The system was... Pathfinder, right? (I recall someone posting racial stats for that template. Also familiar with 3.5 and 4.0 if my guess is off).

... And hopefully no hard feelings from Mountain provided he reads this a bit late.
LoganAura 4th Jul 2012, 5:30 PM edit delete reply
'sall right is the link to the ponyfinder Earth Pony stats.
You're in. Sorry Mountian's player -;
Malkyn 4th Jul 2012, 10:06 PM edit delete reply
Logan, just go ahead and make an account with this site. Doesn't take more than a second, and you can get a lot of pdfs easily.

Do you also plan to use the Bestiaries?
Soge 3rd Jul 2012, 9:58 PM edit delete reply
Have you ever read "It takes a village"? It is a Spike fanfic dealing with his growth and how he can deal with the draconic nature of hoarding while conserving his friendships.
Calypso 3rd Jul 2012, 10:48 PM edit delete reply
Yes yes yes! Fully recommended. GREAT fic. It's explanation of dragon growth, dragon everything is headcannon for me.
Calypso 3rd Jul 2012, 10:53 PM edit delete reply
A Song of Ice and Fire(aka A Game of Thrones)'s dragons. Cool beans. They are very reptilian. Reptiles don't change too much in their body time as they grow. Baby dragons were just scaled (no pun intended) down adults. Also, there were no full grown dragons. They just grew and grew, the only thing that stopped their growth it their environment, if you kept 'em in a cage or zoo they'd be stunted. Free wild ones could be massive. Also they have, like, molten blood. Melt metal in their flesh.
Greywander 4th Jul 2012, 7:26 PM edit delete reply
This is why we occasionally come across truly massive reptiles sometimes, like twenty foot crocodiles. They never stop growing, so if one lives abnormally long, then they'll reach incredible sizes.
Medieval Man 4th Jul 2012, 9:51 PM edit delete reply
Same thing with fish. Not being terribly hindered by gravity has that effect.
Bronymous 4th Jul 2012, 9:31 AM edit delete reply
Dear Princess Celestia,


Calypso 4th Jul 2012, 10:56 PM edit delete reply
Fuck yeah!
Kaleopolitus 5th Jul 2012, 1:52 AM edit delete reply
Dear Princess Luna,

We have science and democracy over here.

Just letting you know.


(You totally had it coming for you :D)
Bronymous 5th Jul 2012, 9:30 AM edit delete reply
You also have: Socialism, Greece's economic problems, France, Eastern Europe, and disgusting food.

Meanwhile, we invented DnD and MLP.

Your move.
Super_Big_Mac 1st Jul 2013, 11:05 PM Razzafrazz edit delete reply
"Is there the occasional rebellious teenage dragon that rejects its parents' philosophy of pillage and plunder?

Pfft, yeah right."

This reminds me of a comic where this teenager is dressed in a tux when he and his punk rocker friend get to his house. His friend is asking him why he isn't "speakin' out" against his old man. The reply is "I am," as his parents step out onto the front porch wearing more rock attire than their teen's friend.
Guest 9th Mar 2018, 11:45 AM edit delete reply
Nooooo, Flutters, they're dragons. Drakes doesn't have wings