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26th Nov 2020, 6:00 AM in A Canterlot Wedding, Part 2
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Never a Bride
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Newbiespud 26th Nov 2020, 6:00 AM edit delete
Another instance where changing the context to a D&D campaign alters the context of the episode in ways big and small. Sending three hypnotized bridesmaids to stop the bride and the Best Mare, not the worst plan. Sending three hypnotized commoners to harass the alicorn princess and a Paragon-level Wizard, well...

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Guest 26th Nov 2020, 6:02 AM edit delete reply
Gallus 26th Nov 2020, 6:14 AM edit delete reply
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RuBoo 26th Nov 2020, 6:28 AM edit delete reply
The context changes... To a morality test. I mean, technically she could just obliterate them with a Fireball, quite easily, I might add... But that would send her down the slippery slope to Evil faster than Dash can trap-check a room.
Emtu 26th Nov 2020, 6:46 AM edit delete reply
She could also just levitate them out of the way.The stupid bouquet thing in the episode was probably just for the joke.
Sensei Le Roof 26th Nov 2020, 7:31 AM edit delete reply
They can't be very level-licious. A quick Hold Pony should work.
Kereea 26th Nov 2020, 11:58 AM edit delete reply
Or Dispel Magic.
tolich 26th Nov 2020, 6:55 AM edit delete reply
And nobody assumes they're changelings too?
Sensei Le Roof 26th Nov 2020, 7:30 AM edit delete reply
They're already carrying their "I'm Being Mind-Controlled" Signs™.
kimjongunbabbies 26th Nov 2020, 9:49 AM edit delete reply
The upgraded model too, with neon lighting.
Ransom4 26th Nov 2020, 10:36 AM edit delete reply
Chanelings posing as already known to be captured ponies, pretending to be brainwashed.

Probably a bit overcomplicated a scheme to try.
Draxynnic 27th Nov 2020, 3:34 AM edit delete reply
Maybe not, actually. It gets the other side to waste rounds and resources thinking that the fight can be ended by lifting the mind-control, which the changelings can use to pull off an alpha strike that the heroes would not be expecting from mind-controlled commoners.
Binary Toast 26th Nov 2020, 9:16 AM edit delete reply
Ah, the question of how to not kill targets with magic... As with most things, D&D 3.5 had a feat for that, I think it was called Subdual Substitution?

I remember it because I once leaned on it heavily during a city-based campaign, turned lightning bolts became street-sweeping tasers. Good times.
Solitary Performance 26th Nov 2020, 10:20 AM edit delete reply
Book of Exalted Deeds, pg44 -- Nonlethal Substitution. Metamagic feat that lets you swap a spell's element to 'Nonlethal' instead of Fire/Cold/Sonic/Acid/Electric (but not force... so no subdual Magic Missiles) at +0 to the spell level.
Hariman 26th Nov 2020, 11:24 PM edit delete reply
Nonlethal Substitution and the other (Energy) Substitution feats were FANTASTIC for sorcerers with fireball and other damage spells.

Underwater combat trapped between aquatic ogres and unable to swim fast? Acid Substituted Fireball a couple times and the battle becomes much easier!

A crowd of civilians being brainwashed? Nonlethalball!
you know that guy 27th Nov 2020, 2:54 PM edit delete reply
NonLetheball would hit you but not hard enough to cause memory loss.
Story Time 26th Nov 2020, 10:23 AM edit delete reply
Brainwashed Hostages, something very common, or uncommon... Any good stories about the best solution in case of brainwashed hostages blocking the way?
albedoequals1 26th Nov 2020, 9:25 PM I cast Greater "No, you" edit delete reply
Pathfinder has loads of spells that are perfect for dealing with mind control. If it's ongoing active control, Protection from Evil can work without even requiring a roll, and numerous other spells grant a new save roll, or can override the enemy mind control with mind control by you.

But if you somehow don't have any of those prepared, Cloud of Mist, Stinking Cloud, Darkness, or innumerable other area control spells can let you skip crowds of hostile civilians without ever making contact.

Wall of Stone could be a good one too.

Spells that cause HP damage are often the weakest tools in a caster's toolbox.
Hariman 26th Nov 2020, 11:27 PM edit delete reply
Damage spells only solve problems with the solution "kill with damage", which is sometimes needed.

But... yeah. My 3.5 D&D sorcerer got a TON of use out of utility spells and battlefield control spells, and a good bit of utility out of just blasting the targets too. ;)
Kris Overstreet 26th Nov 2020, 10:26 AM edit delete reply
You say that, but consider two points:

(1) In MLP canon, all three of those ponies are Twilight's classmates from Celestia's School for Gifted Unicorns.


(2) These were bridesmaids for an alicorn princess. Why would you assume that a powerful alicorn princess would have Level 0 speed-bumps for bridesmaids? That's like having a gold dragon with six transmogrified snapping turtles for attendants.
Ransom4 26th Nov 2020, 10:32 AM edit delete reply
Heh, was actually about to post something similar. I always wondered how capable Twilight’s friends were, considering they also took classes with her. My assumption is that for most unicorns, their magic is highly specialized, like how Rarity is fine tuned toward spell for finding gems and creating dresses, etc. Lyra might excel in music based magic for concerts. My own theory is that unicorns like Twilight, Starlight or Starswirl with vast potential for many different spells are uncommon.
terrycloth 26th Nov 2020, 5:52 PM edit delete reply
It's not an uncommon theory! I mean the show says most unicorns only know a few spells.

Twinkleshine has stars for a cutie mark, though, which suggests she might be a generalist.
zimmerwald1915 26th Nov 2020, 9:17 PM edit delete reply
The show USED to say most unicorns knew only a few spells. By the end, it was having any unicorn off the street make shields covering large portions of the countryside and fire laser blasts.
Ransom4 27th Nov 2020, 7:17 AM edit delete reply
That does seem like the sort of ‘power creep’ that would happen. Though, I suppose learning basic shielding and blasts for defense might be the sort of spell they teach all unicorns at the Kingdom’s top magic school.
Digo Dragon 27th Nov 2020, 10:23 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
Considering how often towns like Ponyville kept getting attacked, it makes sense to teach everyone those extra spells.
Eroraf 27th Nov 2020, 12:01 AM edit delete reply
Now THAT'S an image.
Hariman 27th Nov 2020, 12:28 AM edit delete reply
Ponies are pretty darn tough, and the fact that they're civilians limits people like Twilight and Cadance.

Which means less in a system like D&D, as there's a certain point where civilians become a nuisance that can be taken care of rather easily.
ANW 27th Nov 2020, 7:21 AM edit delete reply
The only one missing is Lemon Hearts.
Bed Head 26th Nov 2020, 3:21 PM edit delete reply
Yes, Twilight! Tremble before the might of my ARMY OF INNOCENT PEOPLE!!!
zimmerwald1915 26th Nov 2020, 9:15 PM edit delete reply
Sunset Shimmer, is that you?
Hariman 27th Nov 2020, 12:29 AM edit delete reply
Sombra called: He wants his schtick back.
BackSet 28th Nov 2020, 5:14 AM edit delete reply
Shimmer's army was mostly High School students, though. I wouldn't feel bad about hurting them a little bit, most of them probably need a slap upside the head anyways.
MechaDitz 27th Nov 2020, 4:39 AM edit delete reply
Once again yet another problem that could be solved with Create Pit
GW 28th Nov 2020, 3:40 AM edit delete reply
A Sleep spell would be the obvious choice.
Kaze Koichi 28th Nov 2020, 11:31 PM edit delete reply
Oh come on! As we already established in Wonderbolts arc, there are not "civilians" in Equestria. Being a hero that saves the lend is small potatoes, everyone with a cutie mark done this at least once. Those bridesmaids are all unicorns, meaning they are wizards, so don't you dare taking them lightly. Did you never heard a story about "Leaping Wizards?"