Page 1496 - Debate Teem

16th Feb 2021, 6:00 AM in A Canterlot Wedding, Part 2
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Newbiespud 16th Feb 2021, 6:00 AM edit delete
Fast-talking the GM is a team effort sometimes!

We ended up not doing Spudventures this week due to sickness and the holiday, but we'll be back next week with another episode of Shadowtrot, and then the week after's going to be pretty fun with another Root campaign!

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Story Time 16th Feb 2021, 6:06 AM edit delete reply
De-Railing is a beautiful Art... Any story when all the players decide together to break the plans of the GM with a crazy idea?
Scissors Rock Paper 16th Feb 2021, 5:24 PM edit delete reply
My warlock player wanted to prevent a skirmish and proselytized his elder god. Using some simple cantrips, the rest of the players convinced the goblins of his power. The goblins then turned on their bugbear leader (the BBEG) and are now allies with the players and the town they reside in.
Cliff_Robotnik 18th Feb 2021, 3:51 AM edit delete reply
I don't have the energy in me to recount the entire tale, but I can't think of a more fitting example for this as the tale I recounted on a previous page regarding the time the party used a Friendship speech and a actual-reality-glitch item to True Rez a very high level Monk...

In a Dead Magic zone.

Rip final boss.
DoubleXXCross 16th Feb 2021, 7:09 AM edit delete reply
Look, DM-sensei… Rainbow just wants to see the Orbital Love Cannon.
Digo 16th Feb 2021, 9:18 AM edit delete reply
Next week or in two weeks? I'm a little confused about the timing.
Newbiespud 16th Feb 2021, 10:08 AM edit delete reply
Ah, right, I messed up. Shadowtrot next week, Root mini-campaign starts the week after. Edited the AN accordingly.
The Old One 16th Feb 2021, 10:48 AM edit delete reply
I maintain that social engineering is one of the most vital tools in a gamer's toolbox, alongside improvisation and probability formulae. The ability to convince the GM that your idea not only has merit, but is also completely reasonable and will blow the hell out of the bad guy in question, all without making the GM want to fail you out of spite, is how legends are written
CharginChuck 16th Feb 2021, 10:56 AM edit delete reply
You gotta love when someone just hands you a solution on a silver platter without even realizing it.
Winged Cat 16th Feb 2021, 11:19 AM edit delete reply
Winged Cat
Or in this case, a pink platter.
Composer99 16th Feb 2021, 1:07 PM edit delete reply
So, in the previous comic, I was curious that the DM did not seem to have an idea (or two or three) on how to wrap up a session with guests in one go. Now it seems clear that not only did the DM not have an idea of how the players could accomplish such a feat, they positively meant for them not to.

All that's to say that, at the start of this arc, I thought Twilight's angle was how the DM had always planned for the session to end - if the players could figure it out, that is - and I'm surprised to learn that's not the case.
Scissors Rock Paper 16th Feb 2021, 5:26 PM edit delete reply
You can't plan for Henderson. Pretty sure the GM just wants to see what crazy scheme they can come up with.
Composer99 17th Feb 2021, 7:27 PM edit delete reply
Possibly, although the words in the DM text boxes, and the implied tone, suggest that "wants to see" might not quite be the right turn of phrase. More like, "is grudgingly convinced to go along with".
Terra 16th Feb 2021, 7:00 PM edit delete reply
Have to disagree. The DM clearly did have an idea of how to end the session: they were supposed to fight their way to the Elements of Harmony and use them to blast the boss. When they rejected that plan, the DM was thrown for a loop (1489-1490), presumably because they didn't have a contingency plan in place for them not reaching the Elements. Perhaps a bit sub-optimal planning given the group's propensity for jumping the rails, but there was a clear and obvious path to ending the session that the group elected not to take, so I don't think you can really fault the DM for not intending the session to finish cleanly.
Composer99 17th Feb 2021, 7:26 PM edit delete reply
Now it is I who must perforce disagree.

The team fought their way through a host of changelings, only to find dozens more already blocking their path to the Elements and reinforcements swiftly catching up. Spud doesn't tell us what resources the team spent in order to win the first battle, other than Rainbow noting she's running low on healing surges, but I doubt they would have contemplated surrendering immediately if they had a healthy supply of daily powers and healing surges left.

That is, however the DM thought the first battle might shake out, the PCs were left without enough gas in the tank for another go at it. And the DM did not adjust the next encounter on the fly to account for that. If their intent had been "the PCs fight their way through and win!", they... didn't do a great job planning for it to happen.
Jennifer 17th Feb 2021, 8:17 PM edit delete reply
Yet he was surprised they surrendered. That (and the fourth-wall characterization of Twilight-player as spoiler-of-game-plans) suggests he expected a conventional ending in the temple-vault place, perhaps with Twilight pulling a combat- or diplomacy-based solution out her butt. He did NOT expect her to return to the palace, thus allowing her brother and prospective SIL to join in the fun. The party is busy learning an actual friendship lesson for themselves again.
Jennifer 16th Feb 2021, 5:46 PM edit delete reply
I've always wondered why, with their love drained, they had any to draw on. But then I realized:

Chrysalis has drained Shining Armor -- But she FORGOT to drain Cadance! She was so busy trapping her under Canterlot that she missed the step she's taking for Shining.

Think about it - she's just sung a song about her love for Shining. Cadance threw her in durance vile, but HER HEART WILL GO ON sorrysorry.
RuBoo 17th Feb 2021, 7:20 AM edit delete reply
“Drain” Cadance? How does one drain a never ending fount? I mean, she’s the princess of love, for Luna’s sake! Ain’t no end to that!
...Unless you’re one of the creatures who ruined her wedding, or some other being of pure evil and/or hatred. No love to spare for such a one...