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Newbiespud 15th Jul 2021, 6:00 AM edit delete
I'll admit, I was very confused for a while, comparing the two shots of the Elements before and after their color-swapping. Something about Pinkie Pie's Element-color being blue and Rainbow Dash's element-color being red threw me off. I thought they didn't quite match the pony they swapped to somehow, but no, they're all correct.

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rmsgrey 15th Jul 2021, 6:10 AM edit delete reply
Is it just me, or have the Elements' colours cycled in the reverse order? For example, the current day apple is now the purple that the flashback diamond was, which would suggest that Rarity has taken on Applejack's role. Instead, it seems like the colours are representing the cutie marks, while the shapes (which match the shapes of the cutie marks) are representing the ponies...
Newbiespud 15th Jul 2021, 7:11 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, that threw me too at first.
Winged Cat 15th Jul 2021, 12:18 PM edit delete reply
Winged Cat
Same. I took some minutes to puzzle it out before reading your note, let alone the comments, and realizing I wasn't the only one.
A Quiet Reader 15th Jul 2021, 5:32 PM edit delete reply
I'm just mad it took me until this strip to realize they had been changed at all. I saw the episode more than once, but I never focused on the jewels & their colors.
Emtu 15th Jul 2021, 7:15 AM edit delete reply
Nope, the shapes relate to the bearers, the colors relate to who they are currently emulating.

Pink lightning bolt = Rainbow Dash is Fluttershy
Red diamond = Rarity is Rainbow Dash
Purple apple = Applejack is Rarity
Orange balloon = Pinkie Pie is Applejack
Blue butterfly = Fluttershy is Pinkie Pie
rmsgrey 18th Jul 2021, 7:06 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, I got the relationship - it just seems backward that the pony with the purple mane and diamond cutie mark and purple, diamond element became the pony with purple mane and lightning bolt cutie mark but red, diamond element rather than purple, lighning bolt element.

So the colour of the element is paired with the cutie mark (which is shaped like an element), while the form of the element is paired with the pony (who has an element's colour in their colour scheme).

I'm sure you can see how that gets confusing when looking for some sort of pattern...
Guest 15th Jul 2021, 7:20 AM edit delete reply
In all but one case, the element colors are matched to the secondary colors in each pony's color scheme. Baby blue for Pinkie Pie (eyes, cutie mark), royal purple for Rarity (mane), red for Rainbow Dash (mane, cutie mark; red gets crowded out in her mane, but it's dominant on her mark), and pink for Fluttershy (mane, cutie mark).

And then there's Applejack, who gets orange because Dash already took red. Which says everything you need to know about how the writers handled her character.
Prairie Son 15th Jul 2021, 7:45 AM edit delete reply
I figured the orange was the closest they could get to her coat, but your conclusion makes sense as well.
Digo 15th Jul 2021, 7:35 AM edit delete reply
The Javolt method to solve this:
"Okay, so the plan is to use Arcana and simulate chaos magic. We zap the artifacts four times, cycling the color until they return to their correct forms."

*rolls a 20*
Newbiespud 15th Jul 2021, 7:48 AM edit delete reply
That's the most Javolt thing I've heard that didn't come from Javolt.
ZhonLord 15th Jul 2021, 2:36 PM edit delete reply
And I'm immediately thinking of the TF2 Medic's first ubercharge.
"Are you sure this will work?!"
"Haha! I have NO IDEA!"
Exhaustion 15th Jul 2021, 3:43 PM edit delete reply
The Elements of Harmony reflect Rainbow Dash’s and Pinkie Pie’s eye colors, that and they probably thought too much blue for RD and Red for Pinkie wouldn’t be visually interesting. When their EQG counterparts got their magic medallion equivalents of the EOH, it fit there color scheme closer (which makes sense as while the resemble each other on a physical and superficial level, you can tell there different people due to their lives and experiences) RD ends up with blue, Pinkie with Pink, Fluttershy with Yellow, Rarity with White, Twilight with Magenta, Orange for Applejack, and Red for Sunset (no one gets Green because in MLP Green is an evil magic color)
albedoequals1 15th Jul 2021, 10:29 PM edit delete reply
Evil and/or Sweetie Belle
Wulfraed 16th Jul 2021, 7:08 AM edit delete reply
Given burnt OJ and liquefied toast, is there a difference?
RuBoo 16th Jul 2021, 10:16 PM edit delete reply
Intent. One, presumably, is absolutely inept but ultimately well-meaning; simply put, a child. The other is occasionally one, sometimes the other, but never both. “Evil” is a far more broad category than “Sweetie Belle”.
Friend 16th Jul 2021, 2:01 PM edit delete reply
A true true friend ♬
Cliff_Robotnik 17th Jul 2021, 6:23 AM edit delete reply
I once got frustrated with the PCs spending basically three sessions on a Mystery(I DM almost daily, I have no life due to MANY issues, and my main creative outlet is tabletop, so whenever the others are up for a game, I bust out my DM screen and Roll20). That I offered to just tell them how the pieces fit together, because I got tired of them near-missing the solution.

One of the PCs stopped me and told me flat out that he was gonna drop out if I told them the answer cuz he felt so damn close... Yes, it was the oft-mentioned "Dave".

Turns out, one if the bits of information to the mystery was something most of the players didn't actually know, because the player OOC liked the bitch-in-sheets-clothing and refused to give the other players any information that implicated her, and I didn't catch he never told them that part... I eventually copied all the handouts into one to help them figure it out, including THAT one, and they got it figured out... And the problem Player got pissed at me for revealing that the milk maid was actually a freaking illusionist mercenary, all the while the other PCs, in character, kept accosting him for hiding such a key detail

Which he ignored, and just felt victimized... Honestly, he had a really, REALLY bad problem with simping and white-knighting for even FICTIONAL girls, and I had a fondness for running female villains so it used to be a rather rough deal.. He's still a friend but he stopped doing Tabletop games with us ages ago, because the games were not about him enough, we we'd not follow anime tropes to the letter... And he had a really, really rough time accepting anyone's authority over him, be it the DM, the local monarch, or the assassin holding his dear friend with a blade to their neck, and only told them not to move because they needed to speak to them... Yeah you can guess how that went... The friend was another PC too... I was not actually there for that one, but one of my regular PCs oft complains about it, even ten years later...

The guy had problems, but so does everyone on some level,so we're still friends, and mostly just watch and discuss anime and manga together(his hyper fixation,his Cutiemart would be the Toei logo probably, if not a trio if generic Chibi animaid faces), where his various issues never crop up like they did in DnD.

Why do my stories always start topical and derail into a summery of one if my Players from the last 15+ years?

But yeah, the mystery was being held up by the player not sharing info he got, and I didn't catch that he didn't, and assumed they all had the information... I am shocked I didn't casually reveal the information in discussion because I thought they had it... Maybe I did and it didn't click? Maybe they are as dense as me? Likely just never came up somehow...

This was also before I have NPCs in every PC group in order to prevent lulls in action if dialog(not really DMPCs, just attached NPC helpers), so it'd be even more likely...

Seriously guys, never underestimate the benefit a bard a few levels lower then the PCs can have for a campaign.
Balrighty 17th Jul 2021, 7:00 AM edit delete reply
One sympathizes.

My group was trying out a fanmade Final Fantasy d6 game and we were towards what felt like (and was) the end of the storyline. I was playing a Viera (and in this game, Viera were getting their life force syphoned away to fuel the Evil Macguffin Thing; it was going to eventually kill us off and in the meantime, it meant that we had to replace parts of ourselves with robot parts.

These things I knew, but the GM wanted the specific process of how to be a mystery, one he revealed clues for while our party was split up by the plot and in the process of joining back up. Except there was a crucial clue to this mystery that he'd revealed to one player that I didn't pay attention to (because my character wasn't in that scene; it felt like it might lead to metagaming if I had information my character would have no reason to know).

Except the one player who knew this key detail kept it to himself. It turned out that this mystery wasn't important anyway, and we finished the game without putting it together, but it bothered me that, before we got to the end, I basically had to tell the GM that whatever mystery he had put honest effort into crafting, I was going to have to ignore because all the information I did have wasn't enough. Then after the final boss battle and the game ended, I asked again and we figured out what piece of information I was missing (the key detail that had only been revealed to that one player).
Cliff_Robotnik 18th Jul 2021, 1:03 AM edit delete reply
... Can't tell if the DM hated Viera or had a thing for cyborg bunny girls, and successfully floated it under the radar... Almost feels like something I'd do.

What was the solution/revelation there, I am curious. Because Cyborg Bunny Totally-not-elf-stand-ins.

I find it kind of tonally deaf to associate Viera, an extremely natural and spiritualistic race, with cybernetics also... Which is a big reason I am so curious as to that plot point.
Balrighty 20th Jul 2021, 7:15 AM edit delete reply
Actually, the original merger between Viera and cybernetics was from me, because I wanted to play not-Bunnie Rabbot. In PMs going back and forth before the game started, he and I decided to expand that to include the whole race (keeping some stuff from me, but letting me know what my character would know as a Viera). So it was really "had a thing for technorabbits", but from both of us.

As for the revelation, I don't remember the whole thing, but I do know that what the other player was privy to was the purely cybernetic remains of some Viera, remains that could only be in the shape they were in if the Viera's organic body was vaporized, rather than surgically removed (I remember it making more sense at the time).

As for the tonal deafness, I've never played Final Fantasy. I'd watched the two CG movies and all the Spoony reviews. Beyond that, all I cared about then was "ooh, hey, rabbitfolk!"
Cliff_Robotnik 24th Jul 2021, 2:30 AM edit delete reply
Bunny Rabbot.. Hah, sounds like one if my PC ideas, shocked I didn't catch on sooner.

And a shame more of the idea isn't remembered, sounds familiar to a character I made for a space themed game using CofD rules... My mech pilot cyborg girl was from a subsection of the human race that had ben abandoned on a mining colony megastructure in a mineral rich system for several thousand years, by some megacorp that abandoned them for dead when the Less-evil-Zion Empire moved in, and didn't spot anything in that system for a long time, leaving a planets worth of people stranded with no coms(it was a black site) or ships capable of extrasteller flight... Just interplanetary mining ships and mechs.

With no outside support, specialists capable if repairing or rebuilding certain key components, air filtration gradually got poorer and poorer... Children were general sealed in a secondary facility with smaller, functioning life support functions, and then heavily cyborgized at maturation,Mao they can survive while the main life support systems were going out...

So they kept mining. Building onto the Mining Megastructure, becoming a civilization of Spacer Cyborgs,mall of whom have never even seen a habitable planet...

Eventually the empire found us here(lead by a not-nazi version of Ze Major from Hellsing ultimate abridged), and offered to bail us out in exchange for fealty... It was a straight fowprward deal, we'd even keep governorship over our own system, but the Elder at the time refused to give up any semblance of power(turns out the machines worked far better then they appeared too, strategically raising and lowering the life support quality to help control people... Was still only working at like 40% max tho), and was promptly shot by his teenaged daughter, whom was the heir to rulership... Whom immediately stepped onscreen and coldly accepted Ze Admirals terms.

She was my PC.

The colony was named Eurasia, after the colony from MMX8, and the people refer to themselves as Remnants...

Tho it was revealed later that my girl was actually the offspring if Ze Admiral and a Royal, whom was hidden on Eurasia(which HAS had outside contact, hidden by the elders), to protect her from POLITICS, and the threatened invasion was because the elders refused to return his child... He was tickled purple when said child shot her faux-pa and handed the system to him...

Ack, rambling again!