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Newbiespud 16th Apr 2022, 6:00 AM edit delete
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Some people want to get into combat as quickly as possible so they can use all their tools to resolve everything. Some people want to exhaust every possible option before entering combat and losing the fluidity outside it.
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There's nothing I hate more in a game than, like, 4 lines of dialogue exchanged and then an immediate "Roll Initiative".
Borg 16th Apr 2022, 9:25 AM edit delete reply
Sometimes we already know we don't like you and you already know you don't like us, and there's just not anything that needs to be said. Sometimes everyone knows there's going to be a fight and someone doesn't have much patience for pretending otherwise.
Prairie Son 16th Apr 2022, 2:20 PM edit delete reply
Those people would die in my games. Last time they tried that, they found out they needed a password only the opponent knew to turn off the countdown. And every wrong guess docked an hour from the timer.
gloomie 16th Apr 2022, 3:19 PM edit delete reply
You must be fun at parties, insisting everybody does things your way or you take everything away
Prairie Son 18th Apr 2022, 8:24 AM edit delete reply
Hey, they were told they would be dealing with an entity who liked to use destructive devices protected by a robust password as a negotiating tactic. More than once, in fact.

Then again, they also chose to start a diplomatic meeting with a power they really needed to be at least neutral in the coming war (which they also instigated with piracy and genocide) by rolling for combat rather than using words. Forgetting the mission so they can indulge a psychopathic need for bloodshed is another habit of those who just reach right for dice and initiative.
Greebs 17th Apr 2022, 5:47 AM edit delete reply
I used to play with a DM with the exact opposite problem. All plot points were to be resolved by beating the bad guy and rummaging through his possessions for the letter/diary/whatever that explained what was going on. I'm actually a pretty terrible role-player and awful at improvising dialogue, so I could sympathise, and probably stuck with that game a lot longer than I might have otherwise, but it was pretty frustrating. Early on we wasted an entire session on exhausting every tool at our party's disposal trying to interrogate an antagonist we had apparently made the critical mistake of capturing instead of killing, only to be met by stonewalling and weaselly rules lawyering at every turn because that-was-not-how-we-were-supposed-to-find-stuff-out.
Draxynnic 19th Apr 2022, 3:04 AM edit delete reply
Sheesh. If the information is going to be on a note or something anyway, might as well let an interrogation succeed instead, especially if augmented by magic! I could understand if it would break the plot to find something out too early, but if the plan was for the PCs to find out then anyway, might as well let it be through interrogation rather than a note on the corpse.
Winged Cat 19th Apr 2022, 8:51 AM edit delete reply
Winged Cat
Or search the still-living body and find the note anyway.
Villain 16th Apr 2022, 12:39 PM edit delete reply
And here I am with my long long monologue about how villanous I am and how great and all I am, but then the heroes stop me in the middle with a roll for initiative, I had ready a three hour monologue that was sadly skipped
Stormy Tinker 16th Apr 2022, 2:53 PM edit delete reply
In the RPG Basic Action Superheroes (BASH), the villian gets a huge boost to their hit points if you interrupt their monologue.
Greebs 17th Apr 2022, 5:52 AM edit delete reply
It is a sad thing to admit that even though I can see how repetitive that shit would get across a whole party of players, I wish I encountered more Villain monologues; chasing the imagined satisfaction of nailing the perfect interruption.
TyrantViewer 17th Apr 2022, 10:07 PM edit delete reply
Reminds me of the pacifist quest in Tiny Tina's wonderlands- one of the options to avoid combat was to just listen to the ancient guardian's entire rambling dialogue, he was greatful, and then he conked right out, so you could just pick up the weapon he was guarding and leave, in retrospect it was kind of adorable, like listening to a rambling story from an elderly relative.

Then I did the quest with my other character while playing co-op with my brother and he just shot the guy in the face before he finished the first line of the speech, he died instantly, I guess waiting around in a cave for eons guarding a box doesn't do your health any good even if you are a weird guardian older than the sun.
Digo 16th Apr 2022, 10:56 AM edit delete reply
This wouldn't be the only time AJ gets pulled around by a powerful magical creature.
Roguim 16th Apr 2022, 1:51 PM edit delete reply
Well, you provoked him AJ....
evileeyore 17th Apr 2022, 3:22 PM edit delete reply
evileeyore
"Some people want to get into combat as quickly as possible so they can use all their tools to resolve everything."

When you only have a hammer (or are playing a combat focused game like D&D) then every encounter becomes a nail (or combat). Which is like the fourth reason I strongly dislike D&D.
Kaze Koichi 18th Apr 2022, 7:16 AM edit delete reply
"I expect at least.."
Don't you have stats on your character sheet, you PMSing drama queen?
Warlock 18th Apr 2022, 9:12 AM edit delete reply
Ultimately this is what I don't like about discord's player; He's neither a Co-GM nor the one in charge of the game. It's one thing to suggest advice or help, even a DC. Sure. But in every appearance so far, Discord doesn't feel like he wants to be a player.... at all. His vocabulary and phrasing comes across only that he knows how to be in the GM seat, never able to take the spotlight off his whims or antics. But that's my personal take, and he does hit some of my pet peeves with this. I could expand, but I'm also hoping that this is just partly due to the fact we only see things seconds at a time, and have days of 'reading into it' at our disposal.
Guest 18th Apr 2022, 4:39 PM edit delete reply
Discord is not a player. I don't know what made you think otherwise, but Discord was clearly brought in for both of his appearances to be a co-GM.
Thor 18th Apr 2022, 7:57 PM edit delete reply
For me the biggest issue is that his language suggests that he doesn't have a DC set until after the roll. As a GM fudging the DC so that a high roll works to move the story along is fine but you should NEVER let your players know that's what's happening. Even worse is the way he says it would make me as a player think "So if I'd managed to hit 30 the DC would have been 35 right?"
If you're going to be antagonistic as a GM you NEED to write down the victory conditions for the players and stick to them even if you lose because the dice came up in the players favor otherwise you just come across as being a prick.
Anon 19th Apr 2022, 1:40 AM edit delete reply
Is he not just checking if everyone think the same? When he say "At least a 25 or a 30" I think he is mainly asking if it's something that should have that effort to take, after all the character is like he say a god, if it was your character in AJ place, should it not be like Discord say and get "at least a 25 or a 30" to make anything? I'm not good with D&D but I could expect high numbers in a fight against a god
Draxynnic 19th Apr 2022, 3:02 AM edit delete reply
A possible interpretation is that he does have a DC in mind, but he doesn't want to reveal exactly what it is, just the general ballpark.

Or he's adlibbing and relying on the permanent DM to jump in if he powergames too far.

Either way, though, it probably is reasonable for him to say that it'd take more than a 16. AJ's player's response before Discord even commented suggests that a 16 was a low score for her (trained, they're at paragon levels IIRC, and AJ probably has a good ability score, so a 16 is probably rolling under a 5), and beating an endboss in an opposed skill test on a low roll probably shouldn't happen unless the price of failure was going to be instant death or the opposed roll was in the big bad's weak spot.
Guest 19th Apr 2022, 2:48 PM edit delete reply
Something else worth mentioning here, I think, is that Discord GM wasn't the one to call for this roll, the Normal GM did. It is wholly possible that he didn't have a set DC as a result of that alone. He may have even made his statement as a way of checking that the normal GM (who called for this roll) agrees with his assessment of the proper DC
The Froggy Ninja 19th Apr 2022, 10:14 AM edit delete reply
Requiring 25+ athletics check is inconsistent with the statement that he can pull on them “a bit”.