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4th Aug 2022, 6:00 AM in What About Discord?
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Newbiespud 4th Aug 2022, 6:00 AM edit delete
Newbiespud
Goodness, so many Good Faces packed into this sequence!
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NobleCuriosity 4th Aug 2022, 6:50 AM edit delete reply
So—who does Discord think he’s getting leverage over here? If he means Tirek (and I think he does, because how would this give him any leverage over the Mane 6 he wouldn’t have had if they hadn’t transferred their magic?), he’s definitely caught on to to the possibility of betrayal (as first started to seem plausible when he didn’t inform Tirek of the magical shift).

So what is going to fool him into thinking he’s in the clear again? Some speech from Tirek about how Discord is a better brother than his blood brother, coupled with giving Tirek’s amulet?

I’m really enjoying this arc so far! It’s fun to speculate about.
Prairie Son 4th Aug 2022, 8:16 AM edit delete reply
If I was writing this, the amulet would allow Tirek to bypass Discord's defenses like a Trojan Horse. Because the best, easiest ways to take out someone's defenses is still to get them to do it for you.
Ransom4 4th Aug 2022, 10:32 AM edit delete reply
Ransom4
Drat, you beat me to it!
Digo 4th Aug 2022, 1:21 PM edit delete reply
I have found that as GM, it's sometimes fun to have the villain say he got some kind of leverage/advantage out of a PC/NPC plan to thwart the villain, but in reality the villain is lying about it to see if they can get the party to abandon their plan prematurely.

This is where social characters can save the group by deducing the villain is blowing smoke. Then the martials go in and kick plot. Teamwork!
you know that guy 4th Aug 2022, 1:53 PM edit delete reply
The girls aren't in the room though, and technically neither is Tirek.
Digo 5th Aug 2022, 3:43 AM edit delete reply
They're not there now, but when they meet back up...
Vanshira 4th Aug 2022, 8:40 AM edit delete reply
Why not just say "thanks for the hostages"?
Warlock 4th Aug 2022, 1:53 PM edit delete reply
Weirdly enough, Discord lacks a way to remotely threaten (as in, inform someone with a threat) anything when you think about it. For him to actually tell the others something, he'd have to be within orbital friendship cannon range, and ultimately the only real way to ensure he doesn't get perma-stoned is to be tied to Tirek's hip to display that though. It's not like he can just waltz up really. A saavy player might also be smart enough to call the bluff unless Discord actually has the hostages with him, given his penchance for manipulation and various trickery. Notwithstanding some Jack Reacher-esque type antiheroism (though I don't see everyone buying into that).

Given his disposition to dislike goody-goody speeches and pontifications, I also wonder how discord would take to a "Needs of the many" statement; he is smart enough to know that the fate of the world versus two alicorns (beloved as they may be) is mathematically trading 2 for everyone. I imagine even Twilight could easily reason this against him too, thus it is even possible Discord would see this is a weak move at best. At worst, announcing hostages could even make him look like a fool, as it could *also* be pointed out that by draining themselves, and not fleeing, the hostage situation was not only considered, but *expected*, and the heroes already are prepared for that shocking reveal...

Either way, I'm content to sit back and see which path this goes.
Vanshira 4th Aug 2022, 4:27 PM edit delete reply
Well, the easiest thing I can think of for sending a message would be getting Tirek to leave one single pegasus alone to serve as a messenger. Preferably a weak one. I can't offhand think of any good reason for Tirek not to agree to that; one weak pegasus must be a drop in the bucket to him at this point.
LupisLight 4th Aug 2022, 11:29 PM edit delete reply
I mean, Discord *could* just teleport to the girls and talk to them - they probably wouldn't blast him *right* away, right? Rainbow Dash might, but the others, especially Fluttershy, might be more willing to at least listen to what he has to say first. Thing is, Discord doesn't seem to have even *considered* talking to the girls as an option at this point. And he doesn't quite seem the type to swallow his pride and apologize and beg not to be turned to stone again.

He also doesn't seem to have considered just snapping his almighty reality warping fingers and magically halting the petrification himself. Was it ever established that this is something he can't do?
Arcada 5th Aug 2022, 6:49 AM edit delete reply
His petrification is being caused by weaponized Harmony, his antithesis. He can’t touch it.
Warlock 5th Aug 2022, 1:34 PM edit delete reply
Basically, yeah. But to beat the horse a bit more (sorry girls)...

Despite all of anti-harmony at his beck and call, magic still follows concrete, if not vague, rules in almost all well-made series and games. That, and his inability to cure it *has* been addressed already. Being able to not just alter, but downright throw away and ignore the prime motivation for this story arc is also, generally speaking, come across as all kinds of bad vibes. If Discord could just cure it, why go through all this stuff with Tirek anyway? Why not just wisk away all the magic himself? Why not just be efficient? Chaos is entropy, and entropy *is* lazy. The laziest action is the one which requires the fewest steps with the least amount of net energy spent, so why not go straight for the lowest state of energy in the universe and call it a day (we all know why, but you get my drift.)
Roguim 4th Aug 2022, 3:00 PM edit delete reply
So Discord figure out what happens and thinks that can be used against a possible(inevitable) betrayal...
evileeyore 5th Aug 2022, 4:56 AM edit delete reply
evileeyore
When the GM realizes the Adversary is playing against him as well as the Players... Oh wait, the GM hasn't realized that, yet.
Jannard 5th Aug 2022, 6:24 PM edit delete reply
Makes sense that he would do that, since he seems to view the relationship between DM and players as adversarial (whether he believes that's the natural state of the DM-player relationship or he just likes it that way personally is up for debate). Now, the current DM not realizing it, after playing with him for so long and having had a couple revelatory moments during the whole debacle... That would be a bit weirder, though not at all impossible.