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Newbiespud 23rd Aug 2022, 6:00 AM edit delete
Newbiespud
This little bit of continuity/story clash always bothered me a little bit. (Never a dealbreaker, but just something that sticks out in my brain.) If Princess Twilight was a surprise to these millennium-old villains, then surely Princess Cadance would have been just as big of a surprise. But who knows? Maybe Tirek heard about the wedding. (And in Discord's case, Cadance wasn't even introduced to the canon yet!)

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19 Comments:

FrostLock 23rd Aug 2022, 6:29 AM edit delete reply
I wonder how thin the walls are in SpikeGM's house.
Toric 23rd Aug 2022, 6:40 AM edit delete reply
In Cadence's case, there was at least another princess of the same power in existence at the time. Princess Amore I think? If he attacked before the Crystal Empire fell, there would have been someone filling that role is the point I make. And after a thousand years, it may be easy enough for him to equate Cadence with the previous one and not even consider they are different ponies. Or, he did notice, and again just realized that she was the new one for "heart" power.
Matiekay_13 23rd Aug 2022, 9:20 AM edit delete reply
Matiekay_13
Princess Mi Amore Cadenza is Cadence's full name. It threw Twilight for a loop when she first read the wedding announcement in canon; she'd only known her foalsitter as Cadence.
Toric 23rd Aug 2022, 6:42 PM edit delete reply
From the comics, Princess Amore is the ruler of the Crystal Empire that Sombra overthrew. I think there's speculation that Princess Mi Amore Cadenza is a distant descendant? Never read her standalone story so she may have gained it as a mantle like Twilight did
HalflingPony 4th Sep 2022, 9:43 AM edit delete reply
One problem with that theory- Princess Amore was only a unicorn, not an alicorn.
Draxynnic 23rd Aug 2022, 6:42 AM edit delete reply
It's possible that Tirek was surprised by Cadance, but since she was there in the throne room, it was an "eh, three for the price of two!" response. While finding out that there's a fourth that possibly now has the power of all four is more surprise-worthy.

While in Discord's case, part of the surprise is "since when was she an alicorn?"

Been a while, though, so there may be details I've forgotten.
zimmerwald1915 23rd Aug 2022, 6:02 PM edit delete reply
Y'know, it's possible that Tirek in the show simply imagined Twilight's stained glass window to be depicting Cadance. Purple with blue and pink mane isn't so different to pink with purple and pink mane, if you make really generous stylistic allowances and aren't paying all that close attention.
SilvercatMoonpaw 23rd Aug 2022, 6:52 AM edit delete reply
I can't remember what happened in the episode (thought Discord surely knew about it, since he'd been spending time with the ponies), but in the comic this makes perfect sense as Tirek having assumed that all the alicorns were present in the throne room. That final comic panel seems like him going "Hold on, this makes perfect sense. And surely my 'ally' -- who I will suddenly but inevitably betray -- must have known about it and is try to trick ME."
Fan of Most Everything 23rd Aug 2022, 7:23 AM edit delete reply
Given when Tirek managed to escape Tartarus in canon, it's possible that he found out about Cadence as he caught up on what he missed, but Twilight got her wings after he concluded his information gathering. Or, as you noted, the wedding was a big enough event that even he heard about it.
Prairie Son 23rd Aug 2022, 8:04 AM edit delete reply
Related to that, they very decidedly did not have a big ceremony for Twilight's upgrade, given the current Discord-shaped crisis.

And now I'm wondering if Shining Armor knew his sister got wings a couple sessions ago.
A Hat with a Smaller Hat 23rd Aug 2022, 8:14 AM edit delete reply
I mean this was always one of two parts that really showcased that the concept for Twilight's Kingdom began with "what if Twilight fought a Gen 1 villain in a DBZ fight" (the other being Celestia deciding on the power transfer specifically because "Tirek doesn't know you exist" despite knowing Discord was a turncoat and does know)

Like you want to hide Twilight, yet you decide to keep the literal mural to her existence. Sun Butt has never been one for sheer intelect. I guess that's what happens when you're basically the Worf of the series.
CharginChuck 23rd Aug 2022, 1:12 PM edit delete reply
CharginChuck
In Discord's case, He very well could have seen or at least heard about Cadance sometime when he was stoned, since the show did establish that he was fully conscious the whole time
Roguim 23rd Aug 2022, 3:08 PM edit delete reply
Well, Discord said that even un his stone form he still listened, so he could have know about Cadance listening talks in the garden, not to talked about all commotion of the Changeling invasion, likewise the case of Tirek, or form any newspaper he got when hiding and preying ponies before the sisters send Discord to get him.
NobleCuriosity 23rd Aug 2022, 7:59 PM edit delete reply
Newbiespud, did you really intend for DiscordDM to start the narration of Tirek discovering Twilight, and then normal-DM to finish it?

It seems a bit odd for DiscordDM to sabotage himself like that, given how adversarially he’d been approaching this. On the flip side, the dialogue makes sense with those two DM points, so just wanted to ask.
Newbiespud 23rd Aug 2022, 8:48 PM edit delete reply
Newbiespud
Yes, because Discord fully intended to spring it on Tirek as a surprise mid-sentence. The normal DM simply narrated Tirek's reaction.
Wulfraed 24th Aug 2022, 7:56 AM edit delete reply
Should the fourth panel have the orange background on the narration -- it does read as "DiscordDM" narration continuing from the previous panel.
Newbiespud 24th Aug 2022, 9:40 AM edit delete reply
Newbiespud
No, that's the normal DM rolling with it and describing Tirek's reaction.
Digo 24th Aug 2022, 3:41 AM edit delete reply
Interesting bit is that the issue of Cadance makes more sense here, because it was a guest character, than in the show where it's like... "Who dis getting married?"
Wolfier 24th Aug 2022, 6:33 PM edit delete reply
Tirek: This is getting out of hand, now there are four of them!