Page 1760 - Betrayal on the Hill

25th Oct 2022, 6:00 AM in What About Discord?
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Betrayal on the Hill
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Newbiespud 25th Oct 2022, 6:00 AM edit delete
I had this whole nerdy write-up answering the question "Why didn't Discord just teleport away (again)?" with this idea of Tirek not just grabbing him in a telekinetic hold but trapping him in a very tiny but visible special pocket dimension so that no matter where he 'teleported' in that space he'd always remain in that position...

It got cut for killing the flow, is what I'm saying.

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Raven 25th Oct 2022, 6:02 AM edit delete reply
Well this definitely seems to confirm that Discord DM is one of those who thinks D&D is meant to be "Dm vs Players"
Toric 25th Oct 2022, 6:08 AM edit delete reply
"Rolled?!" probably encapsulates all my negative reactions/feelings to DiscordDM on these pages, and my analysis of the Mane 6 reactions. That the idea is so shocking is part of the problem. Everything he had done so far, he had done by fiat. And it feels like he had a very different idea about his position at the table. Getting to do whatever you want is not really playing the game, even to some extent as a DM.

That said, I've been looking forward to this moment at the table for a long time. I really want to see the extended reaction and Q and A about this turn of events, I also like the title of the page.
NobleCuriosity 25th Oct 2022, 6:13 AM edit delete reply
Huh. DiscordDM took that better than I thought he would! The negative emotions are clearly present since he clearly doesn’t look OK at receiving the news (Fluttershy wouldn’t have asked if he looked fine), but his “I’m going to leave for a while” reaction that I thought likely is less of a rage quit and more of an embarrassed shuffle off stage.

I will note that “You…he tricked me?” Indicating that he did indeed take it personally at first. Just seems he’s taking it with more “shocked acceptance” than “angry sore loser acceptance.”
ArmoredMerchant 25th Oct 2022, 6:18 AM edit delete reply
I wasn't sure what expectations to have,
but any I could've picked were surpassed, no question.

This is a strong turning point for Mr CenterStage,
and I greatly look forward to seeing where we go next!

Thank you again for your amazing works!
CyanWhisp 25th Oct 2022, 7:02 AM edit delete reply
Hmm, I wonder what the medallion’s true function actually was?
ChaoticBrain 25th Oct 2022, 7:21 AM edit delete reply
To protect against Scorpan's power.
Warlock 25th Oct 2022, 1:22 PM edit delete reply
Or maybe nothing at all - the idea that he didn't need to roll to catch a lie is no different than any other action. And if there's one thing this world has plenty of, it's magical things - Perhaps it's just self-cleaning, for all he knows. The end result would be the same...
CyanWhisp 26th Oct 2022, 2:53 PM edit delete reply
No, the DM explicitly said that Discord felt something magical about it. I'm just wondering if that was just a red herring to throw Discord off or if it will have some significance later on down the line.
Warlock 27th Oct 2022, 1:47 PM edit delete reply
That's what I said - the magic could be something pathetic and mundane, nothing at all.
Tempestfury 25th Oct 2022, 7:55 AM edit delete reply
Quite an intriguing page for sure.

To be fair, DiscordDM's shock and having to roll to check for the Medallion's abilities is honestly legitimate. As far as he was aware, he was playing the roll of a co-DM, someone who had great power and capabilites, and was only limited in terms of creativity and what his fellow DM was willing to let him get away with. DiscordDM was not playing a game where he had to legitimately roll the die to see whenever or not he was successful as far as he was aware. So being told out of the blue 'You should have rolled mate' is rather unfair.

Basically, DiscordDM had the rules of the game changed on him without any warning or discussion before hand. Honestly, the fact that he's legitimately accepting his defeat and how complete and total it is, honestly says a lot more off his character than his shock and surprise at being defeated at all. I know I personally would be FURIOUS if the game rules were suddenly changed without any warning before hand.
NobleCuriosity 25th Oct 2022, 8:38 AM edit delete reply
Eh, I dunno. I think “you could have rolled for it” is really more of an example given by CelestiaDM of how DiscordDM could have done more investigation (in any way). Literally the *only* question DiscordDM asked about the amulet was “is it magical” (it was, and CelestiaDM truthfully told them so without asking for a roll.). If he had asked “Does it do what Tirek says it does?” CelestiaDM probably would have either flat-out told him or prompted the roll and explained why this particular circumstance required it (that is, limiting what he could get away with, exactly as described).

So CelestiaDM’s choice of words there is possibly a bit unfortunate in-character.

That said, CelestiaDM definitely has overall shifted their treatment of DiscordDM closer to player (except one with such high stats that he usually doesn’t bother rolling for anything, making them kind of DM-y) than they were in last game. I thought this had been communicated to DiscordDM, since (for example) he asked CelestiaDM what happens if he tries to remove the elements from the players instead of just narrating “Discord removes the elements” like he did in round 1. But you’ve got a point, it’s possible that wasn’t totally clear to him.
Otterfriend 25th Oct 2022, 11:19 AM edit delete reply
"Co-DM vs. Player"

Some of the older RPG books have the concept of a GM-assistant called an "Adversary", a person who plays important characters who are hostile to the PCs, with the GM giving him the information said characters would have but withholding information they wouldn't. This allowed a fair game between the PCs and their foes, without the GM constantly having to think "what would the villain be doing right now if he didn't know what I know". I had implicitly assumed that this was roughly Discord-player's role, both because of circumstances and because he gave the impression of being old-school enough to be into that sort of thing.
Prairie Son 26th Oct 2022, 8:03 AM edit delete reply
You might want to go back and reread the pages with the phone call. Spike made it pretty clear to Discord he'd be just a player this time, albeit with god-like stats. Too bad for him if he didn't think about the NPC who also has god-like stats. And really, the fact he couldn't just fiat away the petrification curse should have been a reality check that he needed to actually work at it this time.
evileeyore 27th Oct 2022, 8:38 AM edit delete reply
"Spike made it pretty clear to Discord he'd be just a player this time..."

That's all an Adversary is. Another Player, albeit one one who is playing against the group for whatever reasons. They may or may not be present at teh table the whole time, usually weren't, but I've filled that role in the past as the "PC Party Inevitable Betrayer" character before. Constantly on the look-out to improve my character's position, identifying party strengths and weaknesses, sometimes with the role of reporting that intelligence to another Adversary who would eventually take on the party in my stead or alongside my betrayal.

And yes the sole purpose of an Adversary is to allow the GM vs PCs playstyle through a proxy, thus to make it "more fair".
Prairie Son 25th Oct 2022, 7:55 AM edit delete reply
Everyone who was surprised at this turn of events, raise an appendage.

*one draconequus claw goes up*

Seriously, my three year old niece saw this one coming when the show was originally aired.
MechaDitz 25th Oct 2022, 10:51 AM edit delete reply
The more time you spend gloating from atop the tower, the less likely you are to notice that awfully wobbly base
Varia 25th Oct 2022, 9:27 PM edit delete reply
I got to play opposition once in a cyberpunk game. It was fun. I was given a tank-like full-cyborg mercenary with a minigun supporting a group that had taken a couple of planes worth of people hostage at an airport in order to give the players an obstacle to deal with while trying to figure out how to rescue the hostages from the otherwise immobile terrorists. I was extremely hard to hurt, but the minigun was intentionally low calibre so I could give the players eleventy-bazillion light wounds but nothing more dangerous unless they got dumb, light wounds not being compounding or cumulative much in that version of the game. Quite apart from the minigun the most fun I had in that session was suckering the party into one of the service tunnels after rigging a gas-leak/cigarette trap and blowing them up! I was even able to score a couple of medium wounds with that, melt some of their armor, and generally render them highly fashion-challenged which in cyberpunk is almost as bad as shooting them in the face with a bazooka. :)
The Old One 25th Oct 2022, 11:08 AM edit delete reply
You. Didn't. Roll.

I knew the turn was coming, I just didn't know how it was going to be played. But the idea that all that happened and Discord DM simply *assumed* he was solid, oh my. You have to know someone pretty well to expect and plan for that kind of hubris.

Well played
Teleport 25th Oct 2022, 1:03 PM edit delete reply
And the reason Discord did not teleport when the Elements hit him is because he could not as the elements follow him, too bad that DiscordDM was fooled, I wonder if he is proud of SpikeDM for fooling him, the student managed to fool the master
Roguim 25th Oct 2022, 3:14 PM edit delete reply
Well it's part of Magical Items received/found 101 "always check tem with Identify/detect curse or/and any similar spells/skills"
If Discord DM was absent in this class it's not blame of Spike DM...
Loved Dash here.
Digo 25th Oct 2022, 5:54 PM edit delete reply
A straight up stabbing in the face wasn't my first thought on how this would go down, but the method hardly matters when you have a result this deliciously cathartic. Mwahaha.
Wolfier 25th Oct 2022, 9:27 PM edit delete reply
I still kinda find it funny discordDM was so easily tricked. How many potential ways were there that he could be betrayed that he didn't forsee? There were at least 3.

His comments here explain so much about why things were as bad as they were. It makes me wonder how he's ever been an enjoyable DM if he's always been obsessed about defeating the players.
Stormy Tinker 26th Oct 2022, 5:06 PM edit delete reply
Or, simply "Tirek knows you can teleport. A component of the telekinetic grab is also a dimensional anchor."