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11th Jun 2013, 6:00 AM in Swarm of the Century
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Elusive's Eleven
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Newbiespud 11th Jun 2013, 6:00 AM edit delete
I could spout exposition all day about Elusive and the Thieves Guild, honestly. It actually made writing this page's dialogue a serious challenge, because I had to limit how much information I was trying to cram into it.

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Raxon 11th Jun 2013, 6:03 AM edit delete reply
You need to also remember that Celestia might know, but she has bigger plans for Rarity.

Be afraid, Rarity. Be very afraid.
T 11th Jun 2013, 6:06 AM edit delete reply
Maybe she already know and is using Rarity to get to Elusive?
Zuche 11th Jun 2013, 6:20 AM edit delete reply
We've got a T, an _R_, and an M. All these one letter names have me a bit stumped.
Digo 11th Jun 2013, 6:23 AM edit delete reply
My little Scrabble, Triple Word Score is magic!
BadHorse 11th Jun 2013, 6:24 AM edit delete reply
If we can get a vowel going, they can start to spell words.
Raxon 11th Jun 2013, 6:33 AM edit delete reply
Did you just call him T?

Hoo boy, ya shouldn't a done that.

RustyBacon 11th Jun 2013, 11:40 AM edit delete reply
I was thinking that they call him, "Tim?"
Midnight Blaze 11th Jun 2013, 11:04 AM edit delete reply
Or maybe Princess Celestia *is* Elusive, and is just feigning ignorance.
Guest 11th Jun 2013, 1:12 PM edit delete reply
Seanpony, Princess Celestia is certainly devious enough to be Elusive - but she's also cunning enough not to let the PCs know about it.
Tigro Spottystripes 10th Nov 2013, 8:08 AM Plot twist edit delete reply
My guess is she is The Elusive Pony herself. She keeps the thieves busy by giving them orders to steal stuff she planted, so the thiefs are happy doing what they do, and nopony get their stuff stolen.
Seanpony Renaud 11th Jun 2013, 7:14 AM Theives edit delete reply
If Celestia doesn't already know she'll figure it out shortly. I suspect that she doesn't much care. Equestria (even in the sugarverse it comes from) seems to have sufficient problems that a theives guild ranks fairly low on your priority list.
Musicalgamer 11th Jun 2013, 6:06 AM edit delete reply
i'm really enjoying this comic series, i wish my D&D groups sessions actually went like this rather than what happens every time.
Malroth 11th Jun 2013, 12:51 PM edit delete reply
Mine always wind up with one player buying/stealing a junkyard before anyone knows who he is and then making engineering rolls to invent some bizzare doomsday device.
Destrustor 11th Jun 2013, 2:30 PM edit delete reply
Mine usually end with one player willingly doing something so unbelievably stupid that it wipes out a significant portion of the known universe.
This happens surprisingly often. Why, just last week...
musicalgamer 12th Jun 2013, 7:13 AM edit delete reply
my sessions are always predictable, the main problem is that it's 4e D&D
aylatrigger 12th Jun 2013, 12:11 PM edit delete reply
You had predictable 4e sessions? I think the problem might be your players not being Loony enough. Then again, my last 4e character was an Avenger that worshiped the god of chaos and insanity... And if you count it, after that I had a Gamma World game...based off number 100 of the 'Random Adventure Table'.
Malroth 12th Jun 2013, 5:51 PM edit delete reply
4th Ed really doesn't support any campaign premise besides "you are in a generic room filled with guys your own level now kill them"
Zuche 13th Jun 2013, 9:33 AM edit delete reply
Malroth, 4E is a lot less limited that you think it is.
g2g 12th Jun 2013, 4:01 PM edit delete reply
Deathwatch does some unpredictable things sometimes, mostly due to weapon malfunctions and the critical damage chart. There was that one time the players turned on one of their own because he was stupid enough to touch the Chaos-possessed Warp Sword.
Digo 11th Jun 2013, 6:07 AM edit delete reply
My creative mind thought that what Elusive stole, was Celestia's heart. The comic title made me think of that. XD

"Beware the fury of a princess stood up on a date."
Raxon 11th Jun 2013, 6:15 AM edit delete reply
Possibly more than that. Seducing a virgin queen has, historically, not gone well.
StarshineDash 11th Jun 2013, 10:12 AM edit delete reply
Didn't work well for the doctor, that's for sure.
Not changeling 11th Jun 2013, 6:23 AM No really edit delete reply
I can sorta imagine it-

"Sister calm do-AHHHH"
Its intirely possible elusive is actualy immortal.
Digo 11th Jun 2013, 6:26 AM edit delete reply
Not for long if Celestia get's her hooves on her ex-boyfriend. :D

Celestia: "You stood me up, you big jerk!"
Elusive: "Please, Cadence, I can totally explain myself."
Celestia: "My name is *Celestia!!" **Fires Solar Beam**
Elusive: "Improved Evasion! Improved Evasion!!"
Zuche 11th Jun 2013, 9:09 AM edit delete reply
Two-timing the queen? About the only way to make it worse would involve a threesome with her sister in which the royal participants were somehow kept unaware of each other's identities (and perhaps even presence -- now that would call for the efforts of an extraordinary rogue!) until the event's climactic conclusion.
Gden 11th Jun 2013, 9:45 AM edit delete reply
Beams require a ranged touch attack, usually, not a save. (or at least the kind I imagine does)
Digo 11th Jun 2013, 10:36 AM edit delete reply
I know, but it just sounded funny in my mind. :) When you're about to be blasted by Equestria's most powerful pony, you're going to hope there's a way to lessen the sting.
Sparkles 11th Jun 2013, 11:57 AM edit delete reply
Perhaps its a really big cone? I'd imagine that the immortal deity of all the land would invest in a little bit of AoE magic :3
Digo 11th Jun 2013, 12:58 PM edit delete reply
"Shape-able sunlight" sounds like an awesome ability that would make the undead cry.
Gden 14th Jun 2013, 3:09 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, but you know she'd know better than to use an AOE on a rogue.
Dusk Raven 11th Jun 2013, 6:18 PM edit delete reply
Gden - lines (distinct from rays) allow a save. At least they did in 3.5.
Tigerlily 11th Jun 2013, 5:28 PM edit delete reply
*sigh* And mine end up with the barbarian epic failing his survival roles and the kobalds buying a half-ork hooker...
Syth 13th Jun 2013, 11:32 PM edit delete reply
Kobalds, the middle aged managers with hair loss problems often found in Kobold camps.
Guest 11th Jun 2013, 6:08 AM edit delete reply
Maybe as a bonus page when the chapter's done, you can post a page with all the information about the Thieves' Guild on it
Digo 11th Jun 2013, 6:27 AM edit delete reply
Like as if they were DM notes? Because if someone saw my DM notes, they'd notice there is an awful lot of written numbers and jokes about the PC in the margins. :D
sjosten 11th Jun 2013, 10:51 AM edit delete reply
That just makes us want to see them more.
The Captain 11th Jun 2013, 5:12 PM edit delete reply
The Captain
My DM notes consist of a typed up stack of papers filled to the brim with spoiler filled sticky notes. I have to keep the top page covered at all times and the pages weighted down because they blow around. If my players were to peer into those notes they would behold such vast secrets that I would have to change the very fabric of their reality.

And by that I mean that they would spoil a plot element and I'd have to change it.
Colt_of_Personality 11th Jun 2013, 6:09 AM edit delete reply
Hope Con Mane plays a role further down the line. Nopony would suspect Joe (except Pinkie).
Zuche 11th Jun 2013, 6:54 AM edit delete reply
The best assassins and spies are either non-descript or people who look ill-suited to the role. An actor is always a candidate, but most people won't suspect the stereotypical plumber.
sunbeam 11th Jun 2013, 7:41 AM edit delete reply
Musicians still make the best spies, as long as they don't get too famous.
Zuche 11th Jun 2013, 9:10 AM edit delete reply
It didn't work out so well for Mata Hari, did it?
Digo 11th Jun 2013, 10:38 AM edit delete reply
Exactly. My wife was thinking of playing a ninja for the first time ever. My first bit of advice to her was "Don't dress like you work for the Kabuki theatre."
The MunchKING 11th Jun 2013, 10:33 PM edit delete reply
The MunchKING
But that's the FUN part of it!
Raxon 11th Jun 2013, 6:54 AM edit delete reply
The guildleader is secretly Celestia! That way, she can keep the guild totally under control.
Guest 11th Jun 2013, 7:16 AM edit delete reply
I considered that possibility. However, wouldn't it be more entertaining if Elusive was actually Discord?
Erin Palette 11th Jun 2013, 7:17 AM edit delete reply
Erin Palette
Bah! I wasn't logged in. Just going on the record as this speculation being mine, not some random guest.
Guest 11th Jun 2013, 10:47 AM edit delete reply
Hey we're not that random. Maybe we prefer to live anonymously, in the dark, waiting for the opportune moment...

Also Raxon is 10x more random than any guest.
Raxon 11th Jun 2013, 12:53 PM edit delete reply
Damn skippy I am!

Now just you wait and see, I've got a doozy of a story time planned out for later on in this comic arc. I'll give you a hint as to what it's about.

A working title for the post was "dicking around with dragons for fun and profit".
Digo 11th Jun 2013, 12:59 PM edit delete reply
It's a post about making half-dragon babies?
Raxon 11th Jun 2013, 4:19 PM edit delete reply
I'll say this. Power will be abused.

It will be abused like a redheaded paraplegic stepchild with a cleft palate in London.
Digo 12th Jun 2013, 4:43 AM edit delete reply
...okay then. At least three out of those four issues can be corrected. Still, that's quite an image you painted there.
Raxon 12th Jun 2013, 8:05 AM edit delete reply

I should have been more specific. I meant north London.

guy 8th May 2014, 9:13 AM edit delete reply
But which north? Because, as we all know, "Lots of planets have a north."
Changeling no really 11th Jun 2013, 6:49 PM edit delete reply
Obviously she is has a split personality between herself a duck and a thief for more sunpower.
Lyntermas 11th Jun 2013, 7:56 AM edit delete reply
...Alright, this is going to bug me all day if I don't ask: what scene is that picture of the donkey in panel 2 from?
Masterweaver 11th Jun 2013, 8:18 AM edit delete reply
MMMMystery on the Friendship Express, Pinkie's wild speculating.
Magnaliscious 11th Jun 2013, 8:23 AM edit delete reply
Zuche 11th Jun 2013, 9:12 AM edit delete reply
Mule, actually, and I somehow completely overlooked that panel's content until you mentioned it. Thanks for asking.
Derpmind 11th Jun 2013, 9:00 AM edit delete reply
What if Elusive ate Celestia's cake, and was forced into a life of crime to escape her wrath?
Zuche 11th Jun 2013, 9:14 AM edit delete reply
That would be an example of someone receiving unjust desserts.
Digo 11th Jun 2013, 10:39 AM edit delete reply
Brownie points for an excellent response.
Zuche 11th Jun 2013, 11:25 AM edit delete reply
And tart for torte.
Tatsurou 11th Jun 2013, 12:17 PM edit delete reply
That's pudding it mildly.
Destrustor 11th Jun 2013, 2:35 PM edit delete reply
Sweet! More puns!
The Captain 11th Jun 2013, 5:13 PM edit delete reply
The Captain
Guys, can we stop with the puns, that cake has already been baked.
kajisora 11th Jun 2013, 5:29 PM edit delete reply
Never. There is no such thing as too many prunes! there shall be as many as we can mousselin!
Raxon 11th Jun 2013, 6:07 PM edit delete reply
Hey, If Elusive did seduce Celestia, then that means there might be a bun in the oven! That would explain the rare public appearances a couple decade ago. That would mean that Cadence could secretly be her daughter! Wouldn't that just be the icing on the cake? But I egress-
q97randomguy 11th Jun 2013, 7:36 PM edit delete reply
I doughnut know how this would end. Would Cadence try to stop her mother from turning her dad into a crisp and crumble away? I mean, Celestia isn't a pony to be trifled with. I wonder if she would even want to say jello to dear old dad. Then again, she really does seem like a goody four shoes, so she'd probably act like a perfect angel. Food for thought.
The Captain 11th Jun 2013, 8:43 PM edit delete reply
The Captain
I do éclair that the thought of Cadance being the fruit of Celestia's womb is absolutely stale! The thought is simply flat.
Digo 12th Jun 2013, 4:46 AM edit delete reply
It bothers me that most of those kind of fanfics don't even address the father. Was the dad a good pony? Or some odd half-baked creature?

Did Celestia have a one-night fling or was it a steady relationship for a while before Cadence was even a twinkie in her father's eye?
Zuche 12th Jun 2013, 7:42 AM edit delete reply
I suspect he was the ruler of a nearby nation, one kept close because any military action from that sector would possess a solid tactical advantage based on position and his keen intellect.

That's right. Celestia was exposed to a Flan-King bonus.
AttentionDeficitGuy 12th Jun 2013, 3:52 PM edit delete reply
I like to think that he wined and dined her a bit at least, ocakesionally surprising her with flours and chocolates, until he got around to milking the horse.
Ace the Eagle 11th Jun 2013, 9:25 AM edit delete reply
May I ask what was lifted from the Princess' pocket?
Guest 11th Jun 2013, 10:48 AM edit delete reply
sjosten 11th Jun 2013, 10:53 AM edit delete reply
The key to the box that she keeps the Elements of Harmony in. That's why she has to unlock it with her horn.
FanOfMostEverything 12th Jun 2013, 6:37 PM edit delete reply
The cruise control system for the sun. Now she's got to move the darn thing manually.
guy 8th May 2014, 9:08 AM edit delete reply
^Best answer.
Raxon 11th Jun 2013, 9:46 AM edit delete reply
Story time today is about unseen depth. Write about something you put a lot of detail into, even though the others were not likely to see any of this depth.

For example, I decided dragons weren't dangerous enough, so I gave them a complex social environment. Consequently, if you mess with a male, chances are that he may just be out hunting, in which case, you might get to only fight one.

If you attack a female, however, you'll almost certainly have to deal with every mature female in that brood, typically between eight and ten mature females, that brood's dominant male, and possibly even the twenty to fifty juveniles. This has not been explained to anyone in the story except a single woman picked to be brood matron, or queen of the dragons. Nobody else has any idea they're anything but highly intelligent savages.
StarshineDash 11th Jun 2013, 10:14 AM edit delete reply
I have an entire world built where I've changed the races enough to make them unique and interesting instead of "stock" dwarves and elves and fairies.

My party has so far spent the entire time in a swamp, looking for a way out because none of them have survival.
Digo 11th Jun 2013, 10:46 AM edit delete reply
In the failed D&D Oriental campaign, my character was heir to the thrown of a proimant western kingdom. My character's mom (the queen) found out about an assassination plot, so she sent my character to hide away to the orient until she could uncover the mastermind behind the knife.

Turns out the responsible party came from the orient, so the queen funded a small party to go make sure my character isn't killed as they hint down the true assassins.
Meanwhile, my character joined a band of adventurers who were trying to save the daughter of a powerful Daimyo from being murdered by representatives of the SAME assassins that tried to take my character out back home.

It was to be a brilliant plot twist and reveal, but never got past level 2.
sjosten 11th Jun 2013, 10:56 AM edit delete reply
My dad is the king of overthinking stuff for his campaigns. He's actually written and published books filled with the stuff, and he still says that it's just scraping the surface. As a side note, if you're curious about the books, look up Board Enterprises.
Gest 11th Jun 2013, 12:05 PM edit delete reply
._. the current DM i'm playing with loves detail to the extreme. Everyone who plays a female character must be true to their menstrual cycle, and if you can't relate what magic item you want without explicitly stating the name, the shopkeepers refuse to know what you are talking about.
The Captain 11th Jun 2013, 5:35 PM edit delete reply
The Captain
In the last campaign my group played, they chased down the Queen of a changeling hive. I predicted exactly what they would do, unintentionally kill the Queen, and so when they did it they just kind of awkwardly shuffled away.

I told them after that the entire Hive was totally ruined by the destruction of their Queen. What they don't know are the details of that destruction and the complex social order that formed out of the Hive's loss of the queen. They'll find it out soon enough though. >:)
Jason Shadow 11th Jun 2013, 5:41 PM edit delete reply
Jason Shadow
Well, for this fantasy universe I'm working on, I've gone into way more thought than is probably necessary regarding the physiology of elves. Inspiration for this particular interpretation was drawn partly from standard, "Tolkien-esque" fantasy, partly from the "Fair Folk" legends of Western Europe (particularly the Celtic regions), and partly from the elves of Scandinavian myth and legend.

See, in this setting, when the Gods were creating the race of Man a second time after the prerequisite massive cataclysm that destroyed most of the first batch (the remaining few become Titans, but that's not important), the Sidhe took notice and wanted in on the realm-populating action, too. So they took a quick look at the design that the Gods were putting together for humans, made some quick facsimiles out of white and black clay while adding their own "improvements" to the design, baked them, breathed life and Fae magic into them, and then released them into the world. By the time the Gods finished making the humans, the Bànelves (essentially high elves) and the Dubhelves (essentially dark elves) had already been mucking about in the forests for a few thousand years.

Of course, the rushed job that the Sidhe had went through meant that the elves had a much simpler physiological design, internally speaking - instead of bones and organs and all that other stuff, if you cut open an elf, you'll find that after about an inch of flesh, there's nothing but a hollow, empty space filled with a glowing, colored mist. Furthermore, instead of decaying as per the usual, elf corpses almost instantly become hard and brittle, essentially resembling porcelain statues. The closer to old age an elf gets, the more that elf starts to resemble porcelain, and once the elf is dead, the corpse can be ground up into a powder that makes for supernaturally strong fertilizer. Thus, any battle-ground where a significant number of elves has died will within a few centuries become overrun with towering, magically-mutated plant life.

This is good for the Sidhe - their "portals" into the main world are the centers of significantly old and magical forests. Not only are elves their own mortal creation, but also a way to gain an even stronger foothold in the mortal realm...
FanOfMostEverything 12th Jun 2013, 6:48 PM edit delete reply
One of the towns in my campaign world is the gnomish city of Poiuyt, which is shaped like a blivet, because gnomes. The PCs swung by briefly as part of a "go kill this guy because I told you to" quest, but the town itself was fun to make.

See, in Pathfinder, gnomes have a racial trait called "Obsessive," which gives each gnome a +2 bonus to one Craft or Profession skill of the player's (or DM's) choice. The Advanced Race Guide offers the alternate racial trait "Academician," which replaces Obsessive and does the same thing for one Knowledge skill.

Thus, I organized the town based on obsessions, each one of the twenty-six mostly sunken towers of Poiuyt accommodating a group of two or three Crafts, Knowledges, and/or Professions, from the Tower of the Delvers (Craft [stonemasonry], Knowledge [dungeoneering], and Profession [miner]) to the Tower of the Glamorati (Craft [jewelry] and Profession [courtesan])

I find making maps is almost as fun as making characters... though I don't have quite the same tendency to crank out a dozen at a time.
Kadakism 13th Jun 2013, 3:10 AM edit delete reply
I'm incredibly guilty of adding in more depth than my players will likely ever discover (or care to discover).

My first successful campaign involved so much complexity that whenever I brought up a point to my players, their usual response was that I was simply "making it up as I went along."

Then I showed them my exhaustive notes on the subject.

Currently, I'm working on a modern-esque dieselpunk pulp action game, and am already creating social structures and ideas that the players will probably never even see most of.

The Criminally Impoverished, for example.
Kiranis 11th Jun 2013, 10:08 AM edit delete reply
This reminds me of the Midkemia series of books and the thieves guild .
good series and fit's nicely into the D&D game these ponies play XD
Rokas 11th Jun 2013, 3:01 PM edit delete reply
He stole her hat. Because it was the biggest and fanciest hat in all the land and the other jägers wanted it.
Jason Shadow 11th Jun 2013, 4:53 PM edit delete reply
Jason Shadow
Considering the episode these screens are from, all I can think of is that one meme with Nicolas Cage and cake...
Delta Echo 12th Jun 2013, 2:38 AM edit delete reply
And that's terrible.
Digo 12th Jun 2013, 4:47 AM edit delete reply
I love that song! It's so catchy!
2tailakitsune 11th Jun 2013, 9:30 PM edit delete reply
But do the PC's know she is a theif?
Why would they not ask for Celestia's help?
Bad Meta-gaming! Down!
sjosten 11th Jun 2013, 11:25 PM edit delete reply
Yes, they know she's a thief. In fact, they discussed meta-gaming while deciding that. Looks like you need to go on an Archive Binge.
The Captain 11th Jun 2013, 10:27 PM edit delete reply
The Captain
Oh my goodness! Oh my goodness! I only just now noticed the name of this issue. Elusive's Eleven, referencing Ocean's Eleven. Very clever Mr. Newbiespud, very clever. Bonus points for you as the original 1960 version of the film is one of my all time favorite movies. The new one ain't bad either. :D
TheDoomBug 11th Jun 2013, 10:31 PM edit delete reply
Elusive's not "Gray Fox" (the Elder Scrolls one, not MGS), is (s)he?
sjosten 11th Jun 2013, 11:26 PM edit delete reply
Knowing how GMs work, Elusive is totally the Gray Fox, but adapted to the game world. We pull that stuff all the time if we think a character is really cool.
Ponikon 12th Jun 2013, 6:04 AM edit delete reply
Advice: Write fanfic on this circle.

I promise I won't spork it.
Raxon 12th Jun 2013, 8:25 AM edit delete reply
So, my greedo/jabba slashfic, should I ponify this and make them part of the thieves guild?

Hey! Celestia/Jabba/Greedo threesome, while Photo Finish gets blackmail material.

Not for Celestia. Everyone knows she has extremely flexible tastes. But how would the reputation of a member of the thieves guild and don in the equestrian space mafia fare if it were revealed that he likes bug ponies?
Zuche 12th Jun 2013, 8:46 AM edit delete reply
Thanks, Raxon. Now I'm hearing David Bowie sing, "Ch-ch-ch-changelings!"
Rokas 12th Jun 2013, 9:06 AM edit delete reply
There is something wrong with you, Rax. ;p
Tatsurou 12th Jun 2013, 11:08 AM edit delete reply
I just realized something about that History check.
It sounds like practically clichéd "Propaganda saying we aren't involved with them so no one will suspect we actually ARE them."
If any players have read enough, they might just put that together.
Malroth 12th Jun 2013, 5:43 PM edit delete reply
First, Can I request that my next clone have that information scrubbed from their memory so that I am not reborn knowing treasonous information harmful to friend Computer?
Robin Bobcat 12th Jun 2013, 11:35 AM edit delete reply
I can't help but note the name given: Elusive.

For those not up on their pony fanfics, there is one in particular: On Cross and Arrow. In it, the Mane Six travel to another world, where everything is exactly the same... except everypony is the opposite sex.

Elusive is Rarity's male counterpart.
Destrustor 12th Jun 2013, 3:23 PM edit delete reply
It means nothing.
Newbiespud already stated that he restricts himself exclusively to screencaps of the actual show. As we have yet to see a gender-flipped version of Rarity appear onscreen, this Elusive will very definitely NOT be him.
If anything, Newbiespud chose that name to deliberately throw the fandom-savvy readers off the trail of who it actually will turn out to be. (Which is quite meta-clever, actually.)
Delta Echo 12th Jun 2013, 5:17 PM edit delete reply
But does "screencaps of the acutal show" = "nothing that isn't a screencap that isn't from the acutal show"?
kriss1989 12th Jun 2013, 8:46 PM edit delete reply
Also, that doesnt exclude Elusive just never appearing.
Robin Bobcat 15th Jun 2013, 9:00 AM edit delete reply
So, you know... an 'Invisible Thief'? :D