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10th Feb 2015, 5:00 AM in Luna Eclipsed
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Seventh Sense
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Newbiespud 10th Feb 2015, 5:00 AM edit delete
It's natural, when the party is split, for the rest of the players to want to come running when trouble's going down. Even if there's no way for them to know.

Personally, I tend to be lenient about it when it can be finagled, since the alternative is players being left out of the action more often than not. But when I want to raise the stakes, I reserve the right to say, "No, you don't magically show up in time. This is happening now."

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Beaches 10th Feb 2015, 5:11 AM edit delete reply
That happened to me plenty of times in my game. My player was always at the back of the line because she was a cleric and the rest of the party didn't want her to get hurt in battle. Yet, I was also the one who always fell into the hidden doors, down the pit trap, or trip and fell into a rear ambush. The rest of the team couldn't just magic their way to me, and had to take time from hacking and slashing to save me. :D
Jannard 10th Feb 2015, 10:50 AM edit delete reply
Well, at least they tried to keep you out of harm's way. My party had a weird concept of "being there for the squishy cleric". Besides leaving her unprotected, once they left her right in the way of a barbarian specialized in charging that was 4 levels above ours... Because they wanted the attack bonus from flaking. 1-hit kill... Luckily, the DM showed mercy and allowed my character to live.

The following campaign, I made another cleric, only this time a bit beefier, and by backstory I made him always try to protect the bard (who was a bit of a wild card). The DM wasn't so lenient this time, and soon the rest of the party (all melee combatants) learned (were kinda forced) to follow wherever the bard wanted to go.
Darkside 10th Feb 2015, 12:56 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, whenever a party I'm in is getting into marching order I usually try and persuade the squishier members to be in the middle of the group to help protect them from back attacks.

We've yet to BE back attacked, but it never hurts to be careful.
Digo 10th Feb 2015, 7:46 PM edit delete reply
I was in a party that was attacked from behind by a stone golem! How this walking avalanche of a creature snuck up on us I'll never know. It pasted the party wizard in the surprise round. The cleric died next when he tried to lightning bolt it without realizing the bolt would bounce off. Killed himself with that shot, ha!
Mykin 11th Feb 2015, 12:42 PM edit delete reply
This is more or less why we just keep the squishy members of our group in the middle of the marching order and have our beefier characters on the front and back, with the faster of the two taking the back end. It has done wonders for our survivability against sneaky creatures like Kobolds and such.

Ironically, since my cleric had the highest AC in the party for the longest time, he was stuck in the front which, given he is also the only healer in the group, makes things slightly complicated. But we've yet to be screwed over by the arrangement so yea, it works.
Digo 10th Feb 2015, 5:21 AM edit delete reply
I am surprised that I'm one of the only players in a given group who will think to Leave A Message for the rest of the party when I split off. 'Cause I've had my share of wandering off on my own into dangerous territory, yet I've never died out there. Heck, I usually don't get into that much trouble and the party always finds me because I left them directions. :3
Mykin 10th Feb 2015, 7:26 AM edit delete reply
Eh, my character tends to be loud enough that everyone in the world can hear him when he shouts. Heck, in the quicksand story I told last time? Our DM ruled that he was still able to shout even when completely buried in the stuff, given past history with the character, so the party found me pretty quickly. Of course we tried to make it realistic as possible, with all the shouting being contained within a few bubbles that floated up to the top....Yea, we're a really silly group sometimes.

But yea, there's usually no need to leave a message since we always tell each other we're going in such and such a direction/place and that usually keeps the BS down to a manageable level. That and we tend to split off in groups of two or more.
Digo 10th Feb 2015, 5:56 PM edit delete reply
Using the buddy system? Hey that's a good idea too!
Mykin 10th Feb 2015, 9:54 PM edit delete reply
But of course! I need someone to strangle/yell at when something goes horribly wrong! :P
you know that guy 10th Feb 2015, 6:46 AM edit delete reply
Loving these facial expressions.
Mykin 10th Feb 2015, 7:21 AM edit delete reply
I don't like to metagame at all unless it's in line with that my character would actually do/wonder. In this case, my cleric would probably wonder where Rainbow Dash was and go looking for her. Yes, that might be metagaming, but my character probably wouldn't trust RD to be alone at all and would be muttering something about how many houses she destroyed this time as he goes after her. He may be altruistic, but that doesn't mean he's willing to put up with all the crap everyone else seems willing to slap on his back.
Specter 10th Feb 2015, 8:18 AM edit delete reply
There are only two characters right now that I can think of who would actually find Rainbow (before it is too late).

Fluttershy (Maybe?)- She has been hold up in her house all night long, been visited by Luna and Twilight once so far (which went "good"), and probably knows Rainbow enough to go and let her know when it's too late to go scaring other ponies, and leave them to their fun.

Rarity (I said character, not player)- She would either get tired of being cooped up all night and go for a stroll, or would want to get away from the noise and festival, and go mope somewhere a little more quite, and eventually hear some violence in the distance (and who doesn't go near that?)
Malroth 10th Feb 2015, 9:47 PM edit delete reply
Pinkie Pie rolling on her "which friend to bug now" chart both in and out of character.
Disloyal Subject 10th Feb 2015, 7:23 AM edit delete reply
It's worth investing in communications equipment for the party so you don't have to metagame in times like these. iirc, D&D 3.5 had a ring of Message that served a similar role, so fantasy settings aren't exempt.
Being able to call for backup when you accidentally sneak into the enemy stronghold while scouting is a literal lifesaver.
Kaze Koichi 10th Feb 2015, 7:38 AM edit delete reply
This is one problem in the group I recently started to play with: they love to slit a party. And GM loves to split a party too. I'm having hard time to get used to it. (Note: when I'm GMing myself, I don't like party splitting, so I'm very afraid to GM in this group).

Is AJ mocking RD in this strip? A bit metagaming isn't that bad, if it improves gaming experience. For example: "In character I don't know that she is in trouble, but it's perfectly in character for me to worry about a friend, so I better check up on her." I only oppose to metagaming when it reach ridiculous levels, like "Out of character I know another player's secret, so I'm going to act like I know, even if there is no way to know it in character."
Toric 10th Feb 2015, 8:24 AM edit delete reply
As someone who got an Alchemist's AC up to 52, I don't have any trouble believing a rogue can out AC a barbarian's attack. Especially an elite guild member rogue or otherwise a rogue a few levels higher with sneaky tricks. In pathfinder, there are dozens of ways to make one's AC frustratingly high.
terrycloth 10th Feb 2015, 9:47 AM edit delete reply
They're playing 4e, though. NPC AC is set by role instead of by trying to reverse engineer what AC they would have based on their stats if they were a PC.
CmndrHurricane 10th Feb 2015, 9:53 AM edit delete reply
oh, THAT'S what metgaming means.
Winged Cat 10th Feb 2015, 10:16 AM edit delete reply
You mean "metagaming". "Metgaming" is more like or .
Blues 11th Feb 2015, 9:48 AM edit delete reply
I don't know what these are but I want both of them.
Chevette Girl 10th Feb 2015, 10:56 AM edit delete reply
Usually when we run into situations like this where the party's split and it would be very convenient for one half to join the other half, we ask the GM, "So where are we now?" and most of the time the GM will roll some dice and if it's a really good roll, wow, what a coincidence, you were right there and happen upon the scene... if it's a success but not spectacular, we show up in a few rounds (or he'll roll to see how many rounds it takes before we arrive), if it's just barely a failure, we show up a few rounds later, if it's a critical failure, nope, absolutely no way we get there in time. And this seems to be a thing because I've seen three GM's in my gaming group do it. Gotta dance that fine line between metagaming and a good story, right?
Guest 14th Sep 2015, 5:47 PM edit delete reply
How can you not know where your character is?
Teatime42 10th Feb 2015, 9:02 PM edit delete reply
Still betting on it (The Mastermind) being Celestia. However much of a stretch that may be. XD
Raxon 10th Feb 2015, 9:12 PM edit delete reply
"I wonder where Rainbow Dash is."

"I don't know! Let's go look for her."

"I, um, I saw her wrestling with a stallion. They were grunting and screaming."

"Oh, nevermind. Let's give her some privacy."

RD: I hate you guys.
Specter 11th Feb 2015, 1:46 PM edit delete reply
"Well, ok, while you guys can figure that one out, I'll go and see where Rainbow is."
"Cause I think she stole my wallet."
(edit: Now everyone is going to be wondering what I'm talking about. Yay.)
Raxon 11th Feb 2015, 3:29 PM edit delete reply
Damn it! Fixed.
Zilfallion 11th Feb 2015, 4:41 PM edit delete reply
I ran into something along these lines during a skype campaign on this past Saturday. A little more reversed though.

So we're outside of a cave in which there are many reported werewolves that are attacking travelers around a nearby town. I figure, hey, I'll go scout. I've got a really good stealth check, fairly high speed check, and the best defensive abilities in the group.

I'm a little bit of a power gamer at times, and we have some new people in the group. So I happen to have probably the strongest character by a large margin. GM is well aware of this, and has been having lots of fun with making bosses for the future, and the other players don't really know this because my character is a bit secretive and I didn't share most of what I was capable of.

So I apply some deodorizing agent to make myself undetectable to scent. It's werewolves afterall. I roll REALLY well on my stealth check, so I'm basically breezing through most of this dungeon scouting it out. Meanwhile outside, the rest of the party starts arguing about wanting to go in to make sure I don't get trapped inside alone by the werewolves, you know sending the twelve-year old girl into a den of werewolves is dangerous and all that. Since they had no idea my character was literally just walking past dozens of enslaved kobolds thanks to having a method of perma-concealment.

So rather than have them spoil my stealthy scouting run, I actually ask them NOT to come help scout. [One of the druids, we had two, was convinced that if he wildshaped into something, they wouldn't think twice about an animal with an unfamiliar scent.]
Raxon 11th Feb 2015, 9:49 PM edit delete reply
Wildshaping into something so small as to be beneath the notice of them might work, actually. A fly, a beetle, moth, anything absolutely tiny would do.
MistriousFrog 12th Feb 2015, 4:08 AM edit delete reply
I tend not to allow outside of character reactions to rejoin a party. when it does happen however, because lets face it, players will justify anything somehow, I generally set an arbitrary number of rounds before they actually arrive. So it creates a different kind of battle where it is about surviving more than winning.
RuBoo 26th Nov 2019, 11:13 AM edit delete reply
...I don't know the scene well enough to quote it word-for-word, but that "'This is happening now.'" made me think of Spaceballs.
...And I just recalled the direct reference to said movie from earlier in the comic. Fun.