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16th Apr 2015, 6:00 AM in Fall Weather Friends
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Newbiespud 16th Apr 2015, 6:00 AM edit delete
Story time! Tell a story like the one in the comic: A time when out-of-character or meta knowledge helped a player get motivated.

(Like I even needed to prompt that, but at this point in the buffer I'm busy packing for the aforementioned long freaking trip that I'll have just returned from yesterday in your time, so I'm tired and ain't got much else for the Author's Note.)

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Toric 16th Apr 2015, 6:03 AM edit delete reply
Kingmaker. All of Kingmaker. Both me and another player were gunning for rulership from the very beginning because we knew that was a thing that would happen. It led to a lot of squabbling and posturing, but I ultimately lost because of smear campaigning and the fact that the other candidate had a total of three votes from the very beginning in a group of seven.
Disloyal Subject 16th Apr 2015, 7:46 AM edit delete reply
Disloyal Subject
I keep hearing about this premade; I'm gonna have to try it sometime... I -did- pregen an ECL 10 party for a politics-focused campaign to be set in a kingdom; be interesting to see how they did...
Mykin 16th Apr 2015, 10:16 AM edit delete reply
You and me both. It feels like I see an ad for the campaign every other week and it always fills up before I get a chance to really look into it. I'm not one for politics, but it could be interesting in this kind of setting.

For one thing, you can actually fireball the smug, slimy jerks you don't like running and still somehow get away with it.
Digo 16th Apr 2015, 6:15 AM edit delete reply
Metagaming as motivation... well in Doc's quest to win the hoof of the fair and kind pony Mirror, there have been some OOC notes the GM passed along that basically said the possibilities are good of them hooking up if I say a few romantic things and let her set the speed of the relationship. So I used that as motivation to have Doc attempt to woo the unicorn.

I think it worked, but now I'm not so sure cause she seems really mad that Doc hasn't done any seriously heinous crime and I'm getting OOC hints that I have to lie and make up some kind of real atrocity to make Mirror pleased. Um...?

Maybe I could steal some ideas from Powder Keg.
Mykin 16th Apr 2015, 10:43 AM edit delete reply
I'm starting to see some problems in your relationship in the future. Especially if it becomes a game of escalation with Doc's lying and he hits a point where he has to prove he can kill an orphan for his lollipop or lose her affection forever. Still I'll be rooting for him. *Gives a thumbs up*
Digo 16th Apr 2015, 11:18 AM edit delete reply
Well, Doc isn't going to lie just to please Mirror. I'd rather break off the relationship than have my character spin all sorts of falsehoods and masks just to make someone else happy. Because yeah, that will not end well. Especially when her dad is the pony equivalent of Genghis Khan! O_O
Mykin 16th Apr 2015, 12:53 PM edit delete reply
...Past experience is telling me that your GM is only letting Doc date Mirror just so he can eventually get a reason to have her dad come after Doc with a vengeance. The knowledge that her dad is basically Genghis Khan only reinforces this and sets off my "Your about to be screwed" alarm in my head. I'm a bit divided between my desire to help in any way I can and my wish that I could actually watch how this potential train wreck plays out with popcorn in hand. In reality, though, I can really only do this:

*Gives two thumbs up* Good luck!
Digo 16th Apr 2015, 4:47 PM edit delete reply
He's a pretty fair GM in everything else. This dating thing is just the one part that seems to be so complicated in my character's life. Two other characters got significant others practically handed to them on a plate. I've been working for mine and I guess he just gets to into creating the drama and tension for it.

Ever have a GM that gets too into his work?
Mykin 16th Apr 2015, 8:34 PM edit delete reply
No...well, maybe. Not in the way your describing.

I think the closest GM that I've got towards being really invested in his work would have to be the GM for my oracle's game. The one where everyone is stuck in the remnant of one the last great cities and the party was attacked by orphans. My guess is that he wrote a lot of fictional stories and decided to turn around and make a pathfinder campaign out if it all. I say this because when we had finally downed the dragon in our little prelude, we found ourselves asking why they were pouring the equivalent of concrete on it and why touching it was bad. His response was to quote a passage explaining why and it read like it came from his own personal writings more than something he made up on the spot.

Actually, now that I'm thinking of it, I'm kinda surprised I didn't bring him up when we were talking about character spotlights. I guess mostly because we have our main thread and a personal character thread where flashbacks and such happen. Mine's reserved for visions and the like because my character's an oracle. And since it doesn't affect the main story all that much, it's just there for giving little tidbits of info to the players and fleshing out the back stories of a couple of characters in the game. Again, it's not like what your describing with Doc, but it is something.

But yeah, that's about the closest I have to a GM that gets too much into his work.
ANW 16th Apr 2015, 6:20 AM edit delete reply
Yesterday, j-eagle gave the best choice.
But can you come up with a riddle whose answer is "a riddle"?
Background NPC 16th Apr 2015, 7:19 AM edit delete reply
"Can you come up with a riddle whose answer is 'a riddle?'"

You just did. :)
ANW 16th Apr 2015, 10:57 AM edit delete reply
Blueblade 17th Apr 2015, 8:58 PM edit delete reply
*Facepalm x2*
j-eagle12212012 16th Apr 2015, 9:09 AM edit delete reply
I did? Thanks I didn't think anypony liked it ^_^
j-eagle12212012 16th Apr 2015, 9:15 AM edit delete reply
"what is the source of all evil and a bane to potter's hairy or otherwise?" A Riddle
ANW 16th Apr 2015, 10:40 AM edit delete reply
I like a HP rafence as much as the next person, but that is a groaner as big as Rainbow's ego.
Toric 16th Apr 2015, 10:50 AM edit delete reply
How do you refer to He Who Must Not Be Named without him noticing?
ANW 16th Apr 2015, 10:56 AM edit delete reply
Because that's not the name that gets you noticing. It's the V one.
Freelance 17th Apr 2015, 1:12 PM edit delete reply
Voldy? Moldy-butt? Ol' snake-face? Sir Hiss-a-lot? Scale-face? Volts? Drama Queen? That Snake in the Robes?
Blueblade 17th Apr 2015, 8:54 PM edit delete reply
I believe he is talking about Voldemort... Speak of the devil gimme a sec... (Loud crashing noises heard in the background) Hell's population has just increased by one.
JEqual12212012 17th Apr 2015, 5:16 PM edit delete reply
Ah but it fits the challenge and is "equaly" as good as the other riddle
Digo 16th Apr 2015, 11:20 AM edit delete reply
Bravo! That was genuinely funny to me.
Raxon 16th Apr 2015, 6:22 AM edit delete reply
I dunno about motivating, but sometimes, if you metagame hard enough, it can scare more timid characters away. It all depends on their personality and circumstances.
Digo 16th Apr 2015, 6:39 AM edit delete reply
Don't scare them all away. It's good to have meatshields followers.
Skorzah 16th Apr 2015, 6:37 AM edit delete reply
Dash's face.... XD
Digo 16th Apr 2015, 6:39 AM edit delete reply
I'm picturing that book AJ has as the Dungeon Master's Guide. :D
Disloyal Subject 16th Apr 2015, 7:03 AM edit delete reply
Disloyal Subject
Reading the DMG at the table, right in front of the GM? That takes gall!
Unless you're just checking the prices of magic items, I guess.
Digo 16th Apr 2015, 7:32 AM edit delete reply
If there is anyone at that table who has shown gall in front of the GM, it's AJ's player. XD
Disloyal Subject 16th Apr 2015, 7:43 AM edit delete reply
Disloyal Subject
True. I don't personally see anything wrong with it, but I've got the bulk of the d20 SRD memorized, so I may have a skewed perception of what is and isn't acceptable knowledge for players. I do know that my DM gets annoyed whenever anyone else pages through the DMG.
Digo 16th Apr 2015, 9:55 AM edit delete reply
I'm okay with a player browsing the DMG if they're looking for something relevant that isn't intended for metagaming, like a specific table to roll on because of a power or game mechanic because they forgot the rules behind it.
Raxon 17th Apr 2015, 1:41 PM edit delete reply
Aren't prices in the player's handbook?
Grrys 16th Apr 2015, 7:42 AM edit delete reply
I died in a campaign. The trap that killed me also brought me back to life. I totally knew that was going to happen, only I didn't know I was going to fail the saves. I wanted the additional +2 to all my ability scores!
JackobolTrades 16th Apr 2015, 8:01 AM edit delete reply
In a long-running Pathfinder group, we run a campaign and when we finish it, move on to another with someone else DMing. In the previous campaign, one of the most beloved character's fate was left unknown. In the current campaign, he's shown up under a pseudonym as a slave to a crooked gladiator owner, and was forced to fight the party. One player who was the DM of the previous campaign, and thus had access to the character's backstory, immediately recognized him and convinced the party to rescue him from the slaver rather than fight him.
Specter 16th Apr 2015, 8:49 AM edit delete reply
*Tossing a ball in the air*

Meta-motivation... meta-motivation... meta-motivation...

Well, kind of a connection to the last page, not to many of my characters should ever be motivated enough to do half the stuff we did. Granted however, the GM and most of the other players didn't notice.

I guess I'm lucky I decided to just continue with it anyway though; cause in the next campaign, the new GM of the game, made sure my druid HAD a reason to continue fighting.

(Hint: I had to help my animal companion and their quest)
Malroth 16th Apr 2015, 9:15 AM edit delete reply
Listening to Metagame based motivation is a perfectly legitimate way to play for a character who single handedly attacks groups of bandits because the bandits have nice stuff.
remia1 16th Apr 2015, 12:38 PM edit delete reply
not sure if it counts, but here it goes.
My group tended to play a lot of Shadowrun (2nd edition), and there were 2 very important resources for character advancement. 1) experience points (which in the game went by the name of Karma)and b) money. xp allowed you to raise skills and abilities, but money was what you needed to buy new spells, guns, medical treatment, and what not.
now Our GM was very generous with the XP, but not so much the money. even with us collecting everything we could to sell after we had defeated our opponents, we would be lucky to have enough cash to be able to get a meal at the local fast food place. anytime we complained about this it fell on deaf ears.
then our GM discovered Earthdawn, the epic fantasy RPG set in the same universe as Shadowrun, just several thousand years in the past. but he didn't want to run it, he wanted to play it. so one of the other players offered to do so.
and he had a plan.
In Earthdawn, the monetary system is based on Silver, copper is 10 coins to a silver piece, 10 silver makes a gold piece, etc.
the most valuable coin is Oricalium because of the inherent magical abilities it had. each dime sized coin is worth 10,000 silver.
early in the campaign, like the first session or so, the GM gave the party a chest of coins. after a couple of sessions of trying to pick the lock, they get it open. and inside is well over 100,000 coins. all of it Oricalium.
which is enough money in the setting to buy, roughly, Europe.
only it was all demonically tainted.
anyone who touched the coins would become tainted by a demon, anyone who spent the coins would be demonically tainted, anyone who used any of the coins for magic would be demonically tainted.
so, here are the PCs with more money then they could EVER need, and they can't spend ANY of it.
and because it has so much magical potential (and is worth so much financially) more or less EVERYONE in the world wants it.
and because the demon placed so much of himself in the coins, HE wants it back
so the PCs have to protect it.
when we went back to playing Shadowrun, the GM was WAY more generous with the money then he had been before.
Digo 16th Apr 2015, 4:49 PM edit delete reply
Haha, good show! Sometimes you have to put the GM on the player's side so they can feel the effects of their untouched issues.
Evilbob 17th Apr 2015, 11:02 PM edit delete reply

That is one hell of a creative way (way way WAY worse than actually getting coin) of denying players coin.

Basically create very valuable, but entirely worthless McGuffin that could keep the story going until everyone gets tired of it, lol.