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22nd Jul 2017, 6:00 AM in The Best Night Ever, Part 1
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Aunt Immortal
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Newbiespud 22nd Jul 2017, 6:00 AM edit delete
Come to think of it, the "long-lost heir to the throne" card is probably tougher to play when the original monarch is still sitting on it.

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Referee 22nd Jul 2017, 6:16 AM edit delete reply
OK, The DM doesn't know his geneaology, but it's cool. Rarity can do much better than being with that... that... thing.
Pablo360 22nd Jul 2017, 6:33 AM edit delete reply
Fun fact: I am probably a potential heir to the Bohemian throne! Too bad they don't have one anymore.
Guest 22nd Jul 2017, 10:35 AM edit delete reply
I'm descended from Thor by way of a Norse king.

My best friend asserts she would be royalty in Ireland if the peasants hadn't gotten hungry.

Everybody's a potential heir to some throne.
Darkside 22nd Jul 2017, 1:46 PM edit delete reply
Depending on how it tracks, I'm potentially descended from Rob Roy MacGregor.

What makes the issue confusing is that after what Rob Roy did, the MacGregor name became outlawed, so the clan split up and took on various other names, like MacGreg, Gregg, Gregor, that sort of thing.

And my maternal grandfather was a Gregg.
evileeyore 23rd Jul 2017, 10:52 AM edit delete reply
I'd be descended from the Emperor of Mexico if only it weren't for one pesky general... as it stands I have to settle for being the (some number of greats) nephew of the third VP of the US.
Daeronel 24th Jul 2017, 12:22 AM edit delete reply
Te iba a preguntar que si Iturbide o Maximiliano. PERO Maximiliano no tuvo hijos.
Robin Bobcat 24th Jul 2017, 6:45 PM edit delete reply
Royalty of Scotland, myself. A bit tenuous, but there's a male line that shoots straight off to one side about seven or eight generations back.
ANW 22nd Jul 2017, 6:36 AM edit delete reply
Beggers can't be choosers.
Story time?
Sure, let's go with that one.
Specter 22nd Jul 2017, 7:39 AM edit delete reply
Fellow players.

I know, preferably a story, but the closest thing I got is a talking mimic that wanted to become president.
SkyStream 24th Jul 2017, 4:36 PM edit delete reply
Oh, I know a similar one.

A Talking Orange that became President after colluding with an enemy nation.

Am I doing this right?
Guest 22nd Jul 2017, 6:41 AM edit delete reply
I always wondered about that. To have a nephew, either Celestia or one of _her_ ancestors must have, ummmm, done something which can't be mentioned on a children's show.

If each pony-couple averages just 3 foals, then there ought to be 1.5^54 -- over 3 billion equally valid claimants! Of course, I don't know how ponies figure primogeniture. Obviously not limited to just the male line. (Issue probably never came up, what with immortality and all.)
Norgarth 22nd Jul 2017, 7:45 AM edit delete reply
Actually, if he was descended from Celetia, then he'd be her (multi-great) grandson, not nephew, so it's quite possible BlueBlood is descended from Luna.
Paradox 22nd Jul 2017, 8:17 AM edit delete reply
According to Faust herself, he is the "great great great great great great great great great great great (and probably even more greats) nephew on Celestia's and Luna's mother's side, about 52 times removed, roughly speaking."

This wording implies that he's actually descended from one of Celestia's cousins and not a sibling, and "nephew" was because it was simpler, or that no one knows how cousins work

It's probably the former, as he was originally supposed to have the title of "Duke" and it was changed simply because someone at Hasbro thought kids wouldn't know what a duke was
Godzfirefly 22nd Jul 2017, 9:02 AM edit delete reply
Actually, I'd say the wording suggests infidelity on their mother's part. So, it'd be a half-nephew, 52 times removed...
Digo Dragon 22nd Jul 2017, 10:01 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
If cousins were involved, that would only raises more questions, like who are Celly's and Luna's cousins? Why haven't we heard of them? Are they also royal and seemingly immortal?

Though a mom figure is also equally mysterious. Were the sisters born alicorns?
Wyvern 22nd Jul 2017, 6:02 PM edit delete reply
Implying that Celestia and Luna have parents raises even more questions! Either or both could have become parents by adoption and they've had a very, very long time to take mortals under their wings both figuratively and literally.

If Celestia needs an N-grand nephew it's trivial to posit Luna adopting a foal many centuries ago.
Digo Dragon 24th Jul 2017, 10:29 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
Adoption was my conclusion as well. fixes a few issues without creating too many new ones.
Sureen Ink 22nd Jul 2017, 6:19 PM edit delete reply
Actually, it's mentioned by Celestia herself that neither her nor Luna were born alicons. This comes when Celestia says "No alicorn has ever been born one before" when referring to Flurry Heart. This means that, at some point, Celestia and Luna were born as normal ponies/unicorns/pegasi. At some point, like both Twilight and Cadance (both who are also confirmed to have become alicorns and were not born as such) Celestia and Luna became alicorns via some sort of trial. Likely, Star-Swirl had some hand in it. Possibly, even, Star-Swirl was the cause of the first alicorns, Celestia and Luna.

Which then begs the question... Are alicorns immortal? Celestia has ruled Equestria for 1,000 years, yeah, but is it possible that she only did so because she and Luna were connected to the Elements of Harmony? Perhaps, the Elements kept them sustained and alive through those 1,000 years. Could it be, then, that Celestia and Luna, as we've seen with Cadance, are aging normally again? After all, Cadance was an alicorn as a teen, but she grew up, and I doubt that Cadance would choose to marry if she was knowingly going to live forever, obviously outliving her husband and even children.
NexAngelus405 22nd Jul 2017, 8:14 PM edit delete reply
She didn't say "No alicorn has ever been born one before." She said, "The birth of an alicorn is something Equestria has never seen." Note she said "Equestria" has never seen an alicorn birth. Celestia and Luna have been around since before the founding of Equestria according to the Journal of the Two Sisters. I like to think of alicorns as the equine equivalent of the elves from Tolkien's Legendarium as well as the Norse mythology from whence it was based and I suspect they originated somewhere outside Equestria altogether much like how the elves of Middle Earth are originally from a land known as Aman aka The Undying Lands. There is probably a land out there inhabited entirely by alicorns that has long since been isolated from the rest of the world in much the same way Aman was.

As for their immortality, I think Celestia and Luna were born alicorns and according to the Journal they age slowly much like elves do in a lot of fantasy fiction, which is why they hadn't even gotten their cutie marks yet when they took the throne yet had stated they had lived far longer than Princess Platinum when she became uppity during their first meeting. Ascended alicorns on the other hand age normally as evidenced by Cadence's normal progression from teen to adult. That said Cadence and Shining Armor are going to have a loooooooooong road ahead of them raising Flurry Heart as the two of them will be old and wrinkly by the time she becomes a teenager in alicorn years.
Dusk Raven 15th Aug 2017, 11:42 AM edit delete reply
In sources outside the show, it's mentioned that Celestia and Luna's immortality is the result of them using de-aging spells on themselves, over and over. It's also why they're the ones to raise the sun and moon - that same source mentions that back when unicorns did the job, manipulating the sun and moon would age whoever was doing it prematurely.

Also, from the way Celestia and Luna reacted, I think it's safe to assume that they weren't born alicorns either, or else it wouldn't have been as surprising - and they'd have mentioned being born alicorns on top of that.
The Old One 23rd Jul 2017, 9:45 AM edit delete reply
I dunno. My headcannon still tells me that Flurryheart is young Celestia, Sunburst is Starswirl and mayyyyyybe Sunrise is Clover, and that there's going to be some time-travel a-go-go wackyness that's going to put them all in the past

I will acknowldege that doesn't cover Luna, although if Cadence has a second, darker hued foal, I'm pretty sure the finale of that season is gonna be Starlswirl Revealed.
Robin Bobcat 24th Jul 2017, 6:48 PM edit delete reply
It occurs to me... We've only seen Starswirl with a robe on. He might have had wings under there.
Granted, he wasn't able to complete the spell Twilight did, so...
Composer99 24th Jul 2017, 7:05 AM edit delete reply
In "The Crystalling", Celestia says that the "birth of an alicorn is something Equestria has never seen" (up until Flurry Heart), so I'm pretty sure they weren't.
Redwings1340 22nd Jul 2017, 4:55 PM edit delete reply
For the crusader kings players, there's also the possibility of fabricated claims.

The plot twist is that there is no royal family, and everyone makes it up. Celestia knows the truth but is too amused by it all to say anything.
Referee 22nd Jul 2017, 6:54 PM Genealogy 101 edit delete reply
No, it's all wrong. The thing is really simple.

The son of my sibling is my nephew.
The son of my nephew is my grand nephew.
The son of my grand nephew is my great grand nephew.
So on.
Note that none of the nephews are removed in any way.

The son of my first cousin is my first cousin once removed (descending)
The son of my first cousin once removed descending is my first cousin twice removed descending.
The son of my first cousin twice removed descending is my first cousin thrice (or three times) removed descending.
So on.

The son of my second cousin is my second cousin once removed descending.
So on and so forth.

My second cousin is NOT the son of my first cousin.
My second cousin's parent is my parent's first cousin.
My third cousin's parent is my parent's second cousin.
So on.

Genealogy is the same patterns over and over and over again.

What the DM said is random babble and doesn't mean anything at all. :)
Xaran Alamas 27th Jul 2017, 3:30 AM edit delete reply
My headcanon is that Prince Blueblood is actually a descendant of Princess Platinum and the Unicorn royal family - he/his ancestors were adopted into Celestia and Luna's family when the Two Sisters were appointed rulers of all of Equestria. Basically he has a title but no major royal duties, although given that Canterlot was (according to the Journal of the Two Sisters and I THINK the Art of Equestria) originally a Unicorn city it's possible he or a relative of his has a title like "Prince of Canterlot" similar to the Prince of Wales here in the UK.

Of course if this is true it's quite possible the descendants of the leaders of the other tribes were adopted into the royal family for the same diplomatic reason. And of course we already have a canon instance of Celestia having an adopted Niece with Cadence.
Dragonflight 22nd Jul 2017, 6:59 AM edit delete reply
Although they won't mention it on a children's show, Celestia isn't a monk, and is clearly not so ascended she doesn't secretly pine to be "one of the girls." To wit, I point to her "Trollestia" moments, when she tries to liven up her life with random acts of utter chaos.

Celestia has obviously had coltfriends at various points in her life. She just doesn't have one right now. As for why Canterlot isn't drowning in Celestia's relatives, there are two possibilities. The first is that it's actually fairly hard for Celestia to get pregnant, for whatever reason.

The second reason is that she courts fillies more often than colts, specifically to prevent the influx of royal offspring who would dilute the power of the family line. She has special prodigies she all but adopts every generation, and they stand in for her as children most of the time. But now and then, she sees a pretty face. And if that face is male, it's time to expand the royal nursery...
Registered 22nd Jul 2017, 7:21 AM edit delete reply
The third option: She's just a pedophile. The only ones she's willing to get close to are children, and I wouldn't be surprised if she had colts and fillies as students in the past. Given how quick she is to abandon those that disappoint her (like Sunset), I doubt most colts that she gives the pleasure are old enough to get her pregnant either way, so it's an incredibly rare occourence.
Wyvern 22nd Jul 2017, 6:04 PM edit delete reply
Turn that around: Celestia <i>isn't</i> a pedophile. She's thousands of years old; it must be hard for her to have a serious relationship with a pony one percent her age.
Ishidan 23rd Jul 2017, 1:17 AM Molly edit delete reply
Oh John Joseco, where are you?
you know that guy 22nd Jul 2017, 7:26 AM edit delete reply
Celestia is a horse-sized mare in a world of ponies. Not surprising she doesn't get pregnant often.
Digo Dragon 22nd Jul 2017, 10:02 AM edit delete reply
Digo Dragon
There's a Red Bull commercial that can answer that.
terrycloth 22nd Jul 2017, 9:33 AM edit delete reply
Maybe she only looks for coltfriends when she's in a mirror world, and leaves any children with them.
CrowMagnon 24th Jul 2017, 5:53 PM edit delete reply

Shocking interview with Mirror Sombra! "My baby-mama hasn't paid child support in 700 years!"
Guest 22nd Jul 2017, 10:45 AM edit delete reply
I rather think she just uses birth control. Given that most families in Equestria seem to have 1-3 children, either birth control exists or ponies have very little sex. 'Tia is a very busy princess, so it's probably been a long time (or perhaps never) since she's chosen to have a foal, since she knows she doesn't have the time for it.

Or her immortality doesn't extend to refilling her ovaries, and she hit menopause around a thousand years ago. (Cue some joke about hot flashes.)
NexAngelus405 22nd Jul 2017, 8:39 PM edit delete reply
Fun fact: horses can self-abort their fetuses. Also ponies probably have estrus cycles else they wouldn't be a clothing optional society (humans can mate at any time so clothing is partly meant to act as a barrier against the urge to mate so we can focus on other things like science and art). She's probably had plenty of coltfriends to help beat her heat but either she used contraceptives or she aborted them. Alternatively she simply avoided having sex during the last few days of each week of estrus, which is the period of time mares are most likely to get pregnant during estrus; pretty much the equine equivalent of "natural" birth control that the Catholic Church advocates.
gamemaster80 22nd Jul 2017, 8:13 AM edit delete reply
There's also that she is in fact a goddess and therefore is immortal and need no offspring
Registered 22nd Jul 2017, 9:31 AM edit delete reply
True. Add that to the fact that villains don't take the opportunities given to kill her, she won't leave anytime soon.
Ganny 22nd Jul 2017, 12:42 PM edit delete reply
I've always thought Blueblood was the descendant of an adopted colt or filly from back when Equestria was still recovering from Discord and the like. Like, the child of a dear friend of Celestia and Luna. Either that, or an adopted child from the devastation that Nightmare Moon and Celestia caused.
BunBun299 22nd Jul 2017, 1:06 PM edit delete reply
I always figured Blue Blood was the nephew of one of Celestia's husbands. She's probably had a few over the centuries.
TheStevest 22nd Jul 2017, 4:35 PM edit delete reply
As far as I know my great grandfather was some kind of noble. In East Europe. Should ask my grandpa whether he the Communists got him or not.

(Dear Princess Celestia,
I learned, that binge reading a comic with several years of content will make you feel as if you were aging at a higher rate. Still worth it.

Keep up the good work.)
/Tsvorla 22nd Jul 2017, 8:39 PM edit delete reply
If we go back to Hearth's Warming Eve, we have Chancellor Pudding Head, Commander Hurricane, and Princess Platinum. The unicorn was a princess.

Fast forward to the only modern society in Equestria that holds tight to social standing and is coincidentally primarily unicorns- cough Canterlot cough- I find it no surprise that there is a Prince from an ancient bloodline using the title as leverage.

Princess Celestia was originally a queen, before marketing changed her title. Her actions equate her to more of a demi-god anyway. 'Princess' for a title would make her more relateable to the general populace, and equate her and Luna in power to the other pony tribes.

Celestia is a pacifying force, and tries to maintain balance between the tribes. So she would give credibility to Blue Blood's claim through a distant-yet-relateable relationship: nephew. Of course this was before Luna returned, and in the absence of a sister 'nephew' would have been a tongue-in-cheek relation. Luna may laugh about it now, or feel it's extremely awkward, as might the population who existed during the return of Nightmare Moon. (Or they may not realize Luna and NMM were the same...).

TL;DR There are multiple lines of royalty in Equestria, not all are blood related. It all stems from the pre-sister's tribal system, and Celestia's overarching need to balance the power of the tribes. She validates Blue Blood's title through 'nephew' status, though no such relation exists.
Thomas Kemp 23rd Jul 2017, 4:08 AM edit delete reply
Course they're going to change their minds when they realise just how much of a twat he really it.